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Old 02-27-2010, 04:32 PM   #92 (permalink)
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HHO is not a closed loop! But this is not enough.

Just a different angle of the issue: HHO generation (HHO engine) is not a closed loop, as water is coming in as a fuel. (In the Otto engine gasoline is coming in, in the Diesel engine, diesel is coming in, etc).

There are differences in the power of the different fuels, though.

Therefore, there are differences in balance of the energy also: energy extracted from the fuel vs energy consumed to extract the chemical energy stored in all these fuels. While in the Otto engine the balance is positive by 22%, in the diesel engine is positive by 30%, in the HHO engine the balance is negative.

When I connected the HHO generator the rpm of the engine diminish, like as when I connect the air conditioner. If the balance were positive, the rpm would increase.

OldBeaver.

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Originally Posted by Old Tele man View Post
...can you say: "...another 'perpetual motion' contraption..." sure you can!

...I'm not saying the "use" of H2 to augment ICE operation isn't productive, just the idea of using a "closed-loop" system whereby a car's own generator is used to create the H2 it's going to consume to make the power to drive the generator to make more H2...etc.

...last time I did the math, 90% of 90% is only 81%...
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