[Big Dave]

I spend my time with a foot in either camp – eco-modders and pickup/SUV types.

For the pickup types I get a lot of the guff that the Toyota types put on Bondo’s excellent bed cap. I get told my truck looks “gay” and that it cannot tow (I scotched that with a youtube of me pulling a Bobcat trailer up Sandstone Mountain in WV). Even personal attacks. I don’t care. I also stick my nose into political sites so I have a hide as thick as the belt armor on an Iowa-class battleship.

Posts #2,3,4, and 6 exhibit the very same attitude from the other direction.

Excursions and H2 sell for a reason. Somebody has a mission for them. You gotta face facts – not everyone wants any part of a 60 MPG car. Until they build one a 6’10” man can get into without a lot of gymnastics, I don’t want one either.

You make fleet progress by making all the cars more efficient, not just a handful of imports. The US fleet average is 22 MPG. If you could improve it 50% you now have a very efficient 33 MPG and a 33% reduction in fuel usage nationwide.