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RobertSmalls and Neil, and Frank too
I concur on your suggestion on math checking as something needed. Simply stated, the burdens of the embedded energy for fuel transporting and processing should certainly be included, but in any case this number is far less than the burden of the embedded energy that is thrown away in the essential heat engine, wherever it might be, due to the fundamentals of physics as stated as the Second Law of thermodynamics.
But Neil, if you are talking about costs of maintaining a Department of Defense, health costs incurred due to burning fuels, stealing coal lands from Indians, maintaining freedom of the seas, count me out for that discussion. This type of thinking is bamboozium, which is truly in great proliferation in our developed world. I use the word 'efficiency' to indicate the energy conversion effectiveness for scope of the process that directly HAPPENS as a result of the electric vehicle operation.
But RobertSmalls, I agree that the discussion has become tiresome at best, but you seem to be one of very few on the planet that understands basic physics and is also willing to stand your ground against the present onslaught of bamboozium. And I think it really matters quite a lot.
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