[robchalmers]

You'll find quite a lot of europe is half-assed-socialist, by which I mean not totally socialist but they'll used the bit the people like! I mean the UK was tecnically socialist (labour) for the last 13years until May, which is odd as they where Bush's Biggest fans and now the Republicans seems to love talking about all forms of socialism in a bad way!
Don't get me wrong there are some VERY obvious bad cases around the 1930s-40s-50s-60s and it pretty much crippled any form of manufacturing industry here in the UK under the unions, but there are also some scandinavian countries which make it work - and work well!

while we're on a political theme anyone love the irony that we spend 40+ years of the cold war saying the Capitalism is better than Communism, then when the system falls over we have to get propped up by the red-brigade!