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Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard
The sides are about 13 degrees but to increase this, the rear track would have to be narrowed more.
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Then I'd say it's better not to reduce width at the rear, as a narrower track will also lead to a less stable vehicle.
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The hatch would still have to be there to use the storage area -- if it was shortened by half it's length, and the upper portion of the rear doors was joined to it?
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While keeping the height, the hatch could be reduced to just (a) vertical rear door(s), fitting within/onto an efficient ringlike structure (C/D-pillar) - much like it is on a near-vertical hatchback or station-wagon design.
Reducing rear height would likely require a roof cut-out to get proper access to the luggage area.
As this also reduces luggage space and overall volume - practical things really worth having - it's probably better to keep the current size of the rear end and put the available volume to good use.
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The one side door would be roughly the same size as the reduced hatch, though it would add more weight;
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It'd take a structural engineer to calculate the weight impact of both options on your design, but I really don't think you can get away with the (full sized) roof hatch very
lightly.
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because the change in the hatch is just the length of the 2 sides, and the side door has at least 2X that perimeter length.
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Adding multiple small holes to a design doesn't have the impact of adding one larger hole of equal area.
Even going with one side door would still double the access options of the design.
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The two side tubes would have to continue through the door and it has two hinges and at least two latches.
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It'd still require structural stiffening - any opening will require that - but efficient car door design is nothing out of the ordinary, as there's a lot of expertise in that area.
Through the entire car-era, side-opening doors are very much a constant feature. None of the alternatives so far have stood the test of time.
Last rumour I heard about Loremo, they were considering reverting to conventional doors.
I can feel it's a pet-feature on your design, but IMHO it introduces too many undesireable effects to be really viable
- single entry/exit point for all passengers and any cargo
- seating arrangement (bus-like, i.e. none too cosy)
- severely limited headroom for aft passenger
- large % of wasted floor area by requiring a free aisle all through the vehicle
- voluminous loads would block entry and access completely (no van-variant would be possible)
- huge single-opening for a small design
I know of no vehicles with only a rear-entry option.
This in itself is not a good argument, but it should get the alarm bells ringing as to why it hasn't been done (more often) before ...
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The seating in the VLC's is low to the floor of the car, and the sides are protected by the tubes of the chassis; and you have to step over them and sit down in beside them. Getting in and out is not equivalent to a conventional car.
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Sounds a lot like a Lotus Elise.
Such design options also severely limit a design's usefullness to many people - the fast growing crowd of elderly people who aren't as nimble as a youngster.
That said, CarBEN's rear-entry design could be easily adapted to transport wheelchair users - if the driver can still get in after the wheelchair is rolled in, that is.
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Personally, I find upright seating much more comfortable, and riding a little higher than a typical car helps the visibility.
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A lot of people feel that way, and it's a design option used in just about every European MPV design (Renault Espace, Scenic, Modus, Opel/Vauxhall Meriva, ...) as it allows the designs to be shorter while still giving plenty of leg room.
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Sliding doors are hard to do and heavier than swing doors.
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Agreed, but they're also highly practical in confined spaces.
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If I end up doing solid/non-inflatable tires
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Something like Michelin's Twheel ?
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And guys -- this is a prototype! I think it is well worth trying this out, and seeing how it works.
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Sure, but it's very useful to think out the practical side of a design before prototyping it.
It's easier to change the design than it is to change the prototype
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I'll bet getting in and out of the CarBEN is faster and easier than putting on a motorcycle helmet and crash suit and gloves?
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It sure would be.