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Old 12-30-2010, 11:55 PM   #326 (permalink)
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What you or I think of any particular paper matters not. What matters is if that paper convinces the people who actually know all about global climate change, and who have read 100's or 1,000's of papers on the subject, and have done related work.

Of course the polar caps refreeze in the winter; I mean really? What the data show is that it is melting more and more in the summer, and freezing less and less in the winter. The age of the ice used to average 5-6 years, and now most of it is only 1-2 years old. It is not only covering less area, but it is thinner, too. The lack of ice and the other melting (of permafrost, etc.) is very disruptive to all animals and to people, and plants -- everything that was living well is now challenged to change very quickly.

Have you ever watched a NOVA program? What are you worried about -- you get to see the actual in the moment work that they are doing, you get to hear the actual scientists speaking about what they are working on, you get to see the actual data they are collecting. A science documentary is incredibly interesting to me, because I am very curious about how our world works. Seeing the passion that these people have for their work makes it all the more interesting.

Here's the link again to the NOVA program about the ANDRILL project:

NOVA | Secrets Beneath the Ice

Here's a much shorter one about how the largest glacier in the world that used to move just 1 foot a day -- now moves 113 feet in a day:

NOVA | Fastest Glacier

I hope you can overcome your seeming reflexive rejection of anything I post, and actually watch it. I'm actually a reasonable guy, and I promise I have not implemented any evil mind tricks to hypnotize you... Though if I could, don't you think I would have already?

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An article here and a paper there are not scientific refutation. You guys are acting like I am driving this issue. I'm not.

This is real science and the conclusions are what they are; based on real data. It is done using the exact same process of peer review that all other science goes through -- all the ones that you and I accept, and ALL available data is accounted for. Nothing is perfect, but none of the big questions are in doubt. None at all. This is not me saying that -- it is the scientists. If you believe that any science is real, then you have to also trust this science.

Anthropogenic global climate change is real, and the scientists are not making it up. It is already affecting things all over, and more change is coming -- you'll see.
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