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Originally Posted by sid
Yes, possibly....
...In other words, I would not be surprised if the climate went permanently (relative to our lifespans) extremely hot OR extremely cold in a matter of decades and that we shouldn't be tempting fate with a system we little understand and may already have been borderline stable before we started mucking with it.
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But it wasn't stable before we started mucking about with it. And we don't even know if we are mucking about with it.
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Originally Posted by mnmarcus
t vago said
At first reading I was very offended by this comment as I can assure you there are at least two in this discussion who dislike foxes "slant" but do not take everything anyone else says without at least a grain of salt.
But I guess I might say the same thing, the selfRIGHTeous believe anything they hear from head-Rush or FoxkindaNews. So, two sides of the same coin. Sorry for the name calling and snideness, I'd just like to point out that that both sides can be rude but it really doesn't help any.
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I agree, see my previous 'resignations' from this thread, I have tried to be gracious with my comments about those I disagree with in them. If I have tapped something offensive then I apologise, it was certainly not deliberate. I have even tried to step in when I think others have gone a little far and got personal.
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Originally Posted by mnmarcus
So, t vago, Arragonis, Thymeclock, What do you say we do about global warming? Nothing, it's all made up? Buy as much stuff as you want and drive around in SUV throwing fast food wrappers out the sun roof? I'm kidding but besides "global climate change is leftist propaganda" what point do you have to make? I suppose that may be all you want to say, which is your right (no pun intended), but what would you say to the "undecided"? "Not to blindly follow the leftist media", but then what? I don't consider the greater media as leftist, maybe sensationalist, but also I don't follow ANYTHING I see on TV/internet/radio blindly. Now what?
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Well, as for the leftist media thing, I can't tap for others but I'm leftist myself. I've often wondered about the right vs left or Republicans don't do science thing. I would probably be too far to the left in US terms to even vote for Obama.
As for the argument that I'm in favour of no action, no I'm not. What I'm concerned about is that we are focussing our resources on the wrong thing, led by grant funded science. When the tool you have is a hammer (reducing CO2 emissions only) then every problem starts to look like a nail.
At the same time we may be missing the bigger picture - the sun may be having quite an effect on climate, it has more impact than we do. We also don't know nearly enough about the history of climate to use that as a guide. History suggests CO2 is not a driver, so why do we think it is ?
And when someone in the Gaurdian today thinks that comparing a power company with the Nazis is acceptible I wonder whether any sense in my fellow leftist travellers has been lost altogether.
At the same time we deny those in the world far less able than we are the basics they need to generate wealth and development - the means to help themselves be more resilient against disasters that unfortunately befall them. We restrict them to wind and solar power which is a joke on a national scale. People die or get sick. We blame AGW.
As for SUV driving litterbugs, I can think of quite a few penalties they should face...
