BTW Fox News doesn't enter my life in any form except via YouTube clips as it isn't shown here. Strangely the European Murdoch news outfit, Sky, is actually pretty good - if a little loud and shouty like CNN on too much coffee...
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Originally Posted by NeilBlanchard
You know how self-delusional and ditsy military and intelligence people are, right?
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They are expressing what they
believe will be the outcome of what they
believe will be happening in the future. There are lots of 'maybe' and 'could' and 'potentially' in their original testimony. I have to say though well done to the military and intelligence people for at least considering the consequences. Thats their job after all.
But if you want self-delusional, how about
this ?
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Sophie Scholl, a Munich University student, was executed for revealing the truth about the activities of the Nazi authorities; today 20 brave Ratcliffe whistleblowers have been sentenced at Nottingham crown court for plotting to draw attention to the truth of the activities of another German entity. This time, replace the tyranny of the Nazis with the tyranny of the energy giant E.ON.
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Hang on, EON is a power company. They are like Nazis ? Eh ?
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Scholl and 20 others stood up and took direct non-violent action. Their crime was the dissemination of leaflets highlighting and decrying the tyranny of the Nazi dictatorship. It was a decision to undertake something unlawful – an act that they believed was a necessity – to halt a greater but unnamed crime, a crime that cost many lives. That crime did not, at the time, have a name. But it soon did: genocide.
The Ratcliffe 20 did the same in April 2009. They too were prepared to stand up and take action. Their crime was planning to shut down Ratcliffe-on-Soar, a coal-powered station that is one of Britain's largest greenhouse gas emitters. The state was failing to prevent a greater injury from taking place; the loss of life. This time it is not only human life, but all life.
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Basically what they tried to do was close down a coal fired power station. They hadn't bother to warn anyone that might be affected, for example hospitals, the elderly and those ill and living alone at all. They hadn't thought of the consequences of power being lost for safety, e.g. trains being stuck in tunnels, traffic systems being disrupted and police and other services being affected. They also hadn't considered the economic consequences which pay for their lifestyles.
What this rather addled woman, who is worryingly training to be a barrister here in the UK and could potentially be a court judge, wants is to clear these 'protestors' because of her belief in AGW.
Rather more strangely James Hansen, activist and someone who remember is in charge of making 2010 the warmest on record, decided that his CO2 bootprint wasn't big enough so he
flew in to the UK personally to provide defence testimony.
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Hansen had flown overnight from his home in the US to give evidence about the science of climate change and in particular the threat posed to humanity by the burning of coal at plants such as E.ON's at Ratcliffe-on-Soar.
During his two-hour testimony and cross-examination, Ed Rees QC, for the defence, stopped him repeatedly to ask him to explain the technical terms he was using. But the message he delivered was the clearest – and starkest – crash course in climate change the jury, the judge and members of the public in the gallery are ever likely to get.
Hansen, whose speech to Congress in 1988 is seen as pivotal in first bringing climate change to the world's attention, is well-versed in speaking out against the coal industry. Nottingham is not the first British court where he has given evidence. He testified last year in the case of the "Kingsnorth Six", who had climbed up E.ON's coal plant. They also used the climate change defence – that their actions were designed to prevent immediate harm to human life and property from climate change – and were acquitted.
The day after last Monday's trial, he flew to Switzerland from East Midlands airport to try to dissuade the government there from building a new coal plant. In the past 18 months, he has been arrested twice in the US in protests against coal mining.
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Thankfully the court didn't see it that way and found them guilty as charged and they have been given community orders and have to do free work for a number of hours. Personally I hope they have to work in a coal mine. But thats me.
Of course for the science part, we need to look at CO2 itself. How about Bob Carter who is a skeptic scientist - as in he knows what he is talking about. He doesn't think CO2 is a driver of climate anyway.