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climate change IS happening regardless if it is partly man made or not.
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Sure, the climate has always been changing, wether man was around or not.
It's been getting a bit warmer again since the medieval
little ice age but if you look at a longer timeframe, it's been cooling
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There is ~35% more co2 int the atmosphere than at the start of the industrial age, no?
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There's indeed a bit more C02 in the atmosphere.
People who choose to be alarmist should prove their point that CO2 drives the climate conclusively, rather than getting involved in al sorts of scheming (Climategate, biased peer review, or
correcting data) to prove their point.
They can't even proof the short term warming we've been seeing is really extra-ordinary.
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And unfortunately there are plenty of other good reasons not to be wasteful without AWG, but I think that point gets missed by a large percentage.
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I've made that point a few times.
Fossil fuels are being used at a grossly unsustainable rate, far faster than they can be renewed - if any new fossil fuel is even being made today ...
What's worse, we're just burning it off !
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But thermo/bio/fluid dynamics is never an all or nothing proposition, so why all the extreme positions?
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When people try to force unproven theories onto others, that's what you get.
Scientists have been denied the right to publish what have come to be known as sceptic views.
Actually, it should be the alarmist who should be called sceptics, because all previous evidence beyond the cherished very-short-term recent data of the alarmists point to global cooling ...
When your monthly wages end up in your bank account, do you start screaming you'll be a millionaire shortly because your bank account shoots up by (say) $2000 a day ?
Or do you look at the whole month, and see a $2000 increase, followed by slow decrease as you spend your wages ?
Maybe you're even looking at a whole year, and see a periodical $2000 increase invariably followed by a slow decrease ? In that case, by comparing the lows, you can see wether your bank account is going up or down over that year.
You could even look at multiple years, and see what happens over the years.
During the last century, climatologists have been screaming both Ice Age ! and Meltdown ! in rapid succession based on short term data.