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thanks for the links Figjam74! The difference is so small in the map you sent me that the added stop and left turn would eat up any savings from the half mile shorter distance.
The other one does not have new data (you need to click the "Link to this page" option each time so the url will include the changes you make) (upper right corner just above the map)
Either way 130 is not a good road LOTS of lights :-) if I took the TP across I would spend considerable time on 130 and the added cost of the tolls.
I will gladly try all of them though and do the math.
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