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Old 10-18-2011, 05:46 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Just for balance an alternative view of growth, wealth and population.

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"Peak Oil" is an accounting. Nothing more. But nothing less.

... E.R.O.I.E...
I've read Heinberg - I used to follow his blog when I had the time and I find him a very pursuasive and eloquent presenter. I've also read Simmons' book and his blog until he died. I've even read the slightly unhinged Ruppert and I've spent quite a while reading TOD in the past so I get that part. And I've read the arguments against as well from the likes of Matt Ridley.

My question is this. Currently our economic model is based on the idea of growth, making people richer. If our economic model is going to be based on non-growth then what is this other system ? Is it the steady-state economy model, or something else ?

Again, this isn't a leading question. I am neutral on PO and population - I can see merit and flaws in both sides of the argument - I'm interested in how people who view growth as a problem envisage transition. If you like move on from the idea there is a problem to the methods that could be used to solve it. Or is there no solution and we're all going to end up fighting each other for the last crumbs of growth ?

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My apologies for the stridency. Call me whatever names you want, if that helps. The dinner table at our house allowed no prisoners taken. Hard to understand why you'd be asking others what you could easily find out for yourself.
Hopefully I've made it clear I have looked at things I can easily find out, but unless people put their opinions out there its not something I can know. As for dinner table debate, you would be welcome at my table any time - we have good beer too
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