View Single Post
Old 01-24-2012, 09:38 AM   #22 (permalink)
sendler
Master EcoModder
 
sendler's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Syracuse, NY USA
Posts: 2,935

Honda CBR250R FI Single - '11 Honda CBR250R
90 day: 105.14 mpg (US)

2001 Honda Insight stick - '01 Honda Insight manual
90 day: 60.68 mpg (US)

2009 Honda Fit auto - '09 Honda Fit Auto
90 day: 38.51 mpg (US)

PCX153 - '13 Honda PCX150
90 day: 104.48 mpg (US)

2015 Yamaha R3 - '15 Yamaha R3
90 day: 80.94 mpg (US)

Ninja650 - '19 Kawasaki Ninja 650
90 day: 72.57 mpg (US)
Thanks: 326
Thanked 1,315 Times in 968 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by Old Mechanic View Post
You should try a vacuum gauge or another means of precisely measuring load. It's not full throttle if you are in higher gears. You can drop manifold vacuum to 0 even at 25% throttle if you are in high gear at low enough speeds, and that seems to be your average in the competition.

Like most things it can be too little and too much. I would make sure you did not get into any full throttle-full load enrichment, but it's been my experience over many types of vehicles that you can go too much and too little with load and gearing. Find the sweet spot and stick to it like glue. The longer you can glide on a bike the better, which is a reason for ballast, but it may also mean you need to accelerate in a lower gear to prevent excess load from prolonging your pulse phase.

If you can get your pulse to glide ratio up to 1 to 3 you should be doing fine, but on a bike the aero will slow you down much faster, which can be mitigated by your tuck, other aero, and higher sectional density (added weight).

Get that all coordinated and it will be hard for any other vehicle to beat you unless it's something real unusual.

regards
Mech
I have a cool, thirty year old, cheapo fuel pressure/ vacuum gauge with a 4 inch face that I bought for $6 at the auto parts store that would be a chuckle, yet practical to stick on the dash.
.
Hitting the target rpm range is obviously important. No sense gunning it in a gear that has no pull. At the correct rpm the difference in efficiency between near wide open throttle and 90% is very small as long as the FI stays in closed loop. I may play with a set screw or cable clamp as a lock out to prevent WOT.
.
Someone had a home built, wooden frame, diesel, three wheeler that got 160mpg. I don't know if he really dares to take it out on the road though. Maybe I can win the 140 mile road rally on Saturday.
.
I'm not going to go crazy on this bike as I hope to get a 125 soon and make this my competition vehicle. That bike will get a wide band logger and fuel controller to allow some lean burn settings.
  Reply With Quote