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Old 02-14-2012, 09:48 PM   #153 (permalink)
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As it is ... even with 2 or 3 conversions ... I could violate what you post by using the energy from oil to extract more oil , thus paying for the oil used for extraction and still ended up further ahead with more oil ... or using the energy from solar cells to make more solar cells ... or using x% energy to improve the efficiency of the entire system by >x%... etc.
We start out with a given input, then we convert it to the type of energy we want.

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Nope... That is a reason not the 'only' reason.
  • It also works because regenerative braking is always more efficient than friction braking.
  • It also works because of the torque differences between a ICE and Electric Motor at low RPM ... and how much larger a ICE would otherwise have to be over sized for the design criteria torque at low RPM.
  • It also works because of the large efficiency swings in a ICE ... vs the HEV path... Load Leveling.
  • It also works because a single basic HEV motor can do the job of both a starter and an alternator in less weight than the starter and alternator combined.
Actually, perhaps that was oversimplification on my part.

But do note: There are diesels that can achieve hybrid-level efficiency while moving (while idling, no). I've driven a few of them.

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90% agree... remaining 10% being ... sometimes it is better to not burn the extra fuel than it is to convert it to be stored in a battery.
Quite agree with that. It's frustrating that the major stumbling block for better efficiencies is the consumers' "need" for powerful engines, bigger cars and ever more luxury and convenience. I've driven traditional cars that can get between 55-70 mpg... but which would never be accepted by the mainstream market because they're too small and too cheap.
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