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Old 05-31-2008, 01:45 AM   #69 (permalink)
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Electric cars use NO gas. IE not less gas NO GAS. Also power companies do not use gasoline.

Just do a search for Chevron Battery Patent. They have a controlling patent on Large Form Factor NIMH batteries IE the E95 batteries used in the EV1 and the RAV4 EV

Its a controlling patent meaning it covers enough critical points that no one can make a similar battery without violating the patent.

Its currently owned in a spin off of ECD and Ebasys of which Chevron controls 20% and 50% as well as having VETO privileges over any licensing AND a clause to seize all IP under certain conditions of which IIRC they are actively pursuing in court right now.

The patent IIRC will expire in 2015.

They are. ever seen a saturn? the problem is MASS. electric cars such as the EV1 needed to be aluminum and plastic to make them light enough to GET those 120-150 mile ranges on the first gen batteries. We do not use aluminum because it costs more and our gasoline engines have enough surplus power to move the cheaper steel. SO we use steel. EV's would NEED to use aluminum to get the lower mass to gain the needed range. hence why the EV1 was aluminum.

MY point was aluminum does not RUST like steel does neither does plastic :-) They used it for mass reasons the long lasting maintenance free nature of aluminum was an extra bonus side effect.

I did not say they were $10k I said they SHOULD cost $10k if built right. Remember Electric cars are far far far simpler than gas cars. No transmissions No engines No compressor No power steering pumps No alternators NONE of that stuff. All to be replaced with electric motors and solid state non moving parts components.

If you know how solid state works you know its MUCH cheaper than "complex mechanicals" by a lot and only gets cheaper as you ramp up production scales.

Now consider we already have under $10k gasoline cars. hell I was blown away 5 or so years ago when Kia was selling $12k SUV's and $8k cars and has a buy one get one free buy there $12k SUV get the $8K free.

Now your talking about making a simpler cheaper easier fewer parts electric car and you think it could not be done as cheaply ? especially if production had CONTINUED this past 10 years.

Yes steel is cheaper but its heavy and rusts. The point of EV's being aluminum is that is makes them very much longer lasting if not ever lasting (on human scales) and would make them virtually maintenance free.

The EV1 was a prototype that they only made some 800 or so of them and ALREADY they had it down to $80,000 for these HAND MADE prototypes. Typically prototypes are 10 times more expensive than mass produced. Thats $8,000 and this IGNORES the fact that EV's are inherently simpler and cheaper than gasoline cars.

Go look at an RC electric car (a real one not a tyco job) you will note that it has 5 Primary components.

Reciever - Motor - Controller - Battery - Charger

A Full size electric car is LITERALLY a direct upscale of this.

Driver - Motor - Controller - Battery - Charger

They really are just that simple. There is nothing "Tin-Foil" about this.

EV's are faster better higher speed efficient clean quite cheap long lasting virtually maintenance free etc..

Besides RANGE and CHARGE time (both of which are VERY solvable) there is NO downside to an electric car.

Charge time will be solved by "high amp" electric pumps at gas stations for when you can not wait for your home power to recharge the batteries.

Range will be solved initially by more batteries and once R&D is spent IT WILL get solved.

My Commute to work adam728 is 52.8 MILES each way. YES each way. NO I can not move NO I can not move work or my home. We own the home and its a family business. YES when I had a second local job at radio shack You bet your butt I rode my bike to work. I am almost 400 pounds I NEED the exercise :-)

but you are damned right when a company ACTIVELY and INTENTIONALLY prevents me from having the technology I need to make a massive difference in my life out of PURE greed and using a Patent system WE GRANTED TO THEM as a PRIVILEGE to promote innovation and to then have them use this as a BLUDGEON against me to PREVENT me from using said technology that could SAVE our lives as we know it ELIMINATE unemployment INSANELY increase the wealth of our nations population AND save the environment at the same time as well as out economy (what would infusing over a trillion dollars BACK into the US economy do to it?)

YEAH you bet your buttocks I am going to BLAME them for it Especially when my government refuses to do anything about it because there greed is profiting right along with them.

SO YEAH I get a little ripe about it :-) hehe
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