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I think I shall start a Sensible Aerodynamics thread so perhaps we can enlighten the black magic guys, and remind the real aero guys that you don't have to make aero sound scary just so you can prove your credibility of knowledge on the subject.
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That's all fine and dandy except for the black magic guys that LIKE black magic and don't want to entertain reality.
"You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink."