View Single Post
Old 09-04-2012, 09:08 PM   #20 (permalink)
MTrenk
Formula SAE Engineer
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: United States
Posts: 65
Thanks: 4
Thanked 15 Times in 11 Posts
aerohead:
--> Does the flat side really limit turbulence? I think there's enough potential from such a large flat plate to end up creating MORE drag than pumpkins and exhaust bits. I'm completely serious. Flat underpans are required in Formula One to reduce top speeds. :P
--> Diffusers are good.
--> If airflow volume is constant at fixed velocity, then what good does it do to analyze it when cars have changing velocity, not only due to acceleration, but changes is wind speed?
--> Is the golf ball effect really all over the car ever? Because at 20 mph I'd bet money that the hood has laminar attached flow, and a 20 mph golf ball has turbulent attached flow. Perhaps I don't know what you are trying to say.
--> Dimpling the underside of a bellypan would in fact allow you to make a flat one, which is obviously more convenient than turning the underside of your car into an airfoil profile. Let's say that a smooth sphere and a smooth flat underbody are traveling at 40 mph along side a golf ball, and a dimpled flat underbody. Suddenly they encounter wind resistance, nothing is pushing them. We all know what happens to the sphere vs. golf ball (equal diameter). Can we imagine what would happen to the underbodies (same dimensions)?
--> Yes, creasing metal panels, dimpling, or whatever sort of bending manufacturers do is related to many things: panel strength, good looks, airflow, damping properties, etc.

Nevyn:
--> Ask Formula One, they know all about dealing with flat panels and Venturi tunnels under and behind the car, and they use them to their advantage in certain way, while doing their best to eliminate them in other ways. This deals with aerodynamics that I won't know much about until I go to graduate school in approximately 3 years. Some of this stuff is trade secret ya know?

Xist:
--> As for the drawings, I just have to find someone to let me borrow their scanner.
--> I haven't owned a car in about 8 months. I'm paying for my degree by working and playing in the university orchestra for scholarship money. I have just enough for rent and food. Cars are expensiveeeeeeee to keep legal.

freebeard:
--> I'm not really sure what's going on in that diagram... Raised ribs just increase panel strength, but also increase frontal area and probably don't do anything other than just push the air around. I'll try to talk more about sidewalls later, in conjunction with underbodies and front air dams/splitters.

slowmover:
--> It's my opinion that many cooling techniques used on the tops of cars can do well on the bottoms of cars.




Or you could even just use metal mesh type holes. If you cover the bottom of your truck with a belly pan, I think you will be able to achieve the kind of cooling you need. You'll need to go with something heat resistant/something that doesn't get destroyed by heat over time. I've had lots of ideas about trucks and SUV's over the years, so maybe soon I can sit down and draw them out.

oil pan 4:
--> Not really sure I understood anything you meant.

Tried to answer posts bottom to top!
__________________
Max Trenkle
Student Engineer - TTU Motorsports
  Reply With Quote