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Old 11-20-2012, 10:29 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Can't help thinking of the many attempts to start this kind of "alternative society" in various forms and places over the past 40 or so years. Eventually it comes down to some people who do the real work and the rest that spend their time devoted to "sharing work, consuming less, while devoting more time to art, music, family, culture and community
I just discovered Jaques Fresco. He's been at it since the 70s.

It reminds me of a concept in computer software where you increment your way up a slope until you reach a local maxima, then look across the way to a higher, adjacent maxima and realize there is a yawning chasm in your way.

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Eventually those that do the work realise the freeloaders are, well, freeloading and leave - and the community collapses. Making this a world-wide movement is just there to "enslave" (because nobody else is going to do it) those who just get on with stuff.
Post-scarcity with bottom up disruptive tech, we just let the people with addicted personalities burn themselves out. It's the Darwinian thing to do.

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No, I don't want to work hard to support George Monbiot's desire to be taken seriously as a writer - thanks.
I took 30 seconds to look him up, looks like he's been in the news. As for the burden; British humor?

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Ephemeralization. -- Obviously ultimately that is impossible, but there is no evidence of us being near a limit yet - we keep on escaping those jaws even now.
It seems impossible, except from the perspective of Quantum Phusics or Eastern religion. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from Nature."

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If you want to slow population growth help make the people breeding better off - they choose usually to have fewer children as not so many of them die and they don't have to rely on them to support themselves in old age. That means helping the 3rd world to become better of economically but of course that goes against the anti-growth idea.
Agreed, except for the "against the anti'" part.

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So what to do, what to do ? Nobody seems to answer that one. But any other choice will involve imposing a growth limit on these people - that means force. Are you happy with that ?
Small-L libertarian; so no.

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On a better note anything that opposes the completely Immoral idea of Malthusianism is OK with me.
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It was enacted for real as a policy in India during British rule - and yes I am not proud.
You've got the Raj, we've got the First Peoples. I like to think we are all better than that now.