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user removed · 01-27-2013, 10:45 PM

Thanks Ian, I know I can count on you for a precise explanantion although it may be a little over my head technically speaking. Lets see if I got the message.

There are systems that could work with electricity and batteries that could compete with a hydraulic system, even exceed a hydraulic system that is state of the art to the best of your knowledge, of which I do not know how extensive your knowledge is relative to hydraulics, but I think it would be safe to assume it is substantial.

Now, my question is do you think it is practical to develop and produce the combination of electrical components you referred to and incorporate them into a vehicle that is practical and reliable, and if so at what cost? Not demanding precision in any way, but in your last paragraph you referred to reliability and cost as two factors that must be considered, which is the most important point, as any vehicle must be affordable to be successful.

In previous posts I have alluded to the fact (in my opinion) that a HH could be produced with sufficient capacity for normal use at a cost (after production reached a significant level) that would be no greater than any currently available low priced vehicle. Since we both share the same objective which is the highest percentage of vehicles available that are affordable and reliable, while we differ in possible the pathway to that vehicle, we both share a belief that such a vehicle should be produced as quickly as practical in any configuration that is reliable and cost effective.

I just believe that pathway is hydraulic and my design is based on the understanding of the sum of the objectives, but possibly biased towards the understanding that if the average driver can not afford it, it will never be commercially successful. Practical automobiles existed before the advent of the Model T Ford, but the Model T, while it was surpassed by almost all of the competition, was reliable, cheap, and repairable by a novice with simple tools. That is why it succeeded and Ford's dedication to efficiency in production maintained that advantage fro 1908 to the last Model T produced in 1927.

regards
Mech

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user removed Master EcoModder Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 5,927 Thanks: 877 Thanked 2,024 Times in 1,304 Posts	Thanks Ian, I know I can count on you for a precise explanantion although it may be a little over my head technically speaking. Lets see if I got the message. There are systems that could work with electricity and batteries that could compete with a hydraulic system, even exceed a hydraulic system that is state of the art to the best of your knowledge, of which I do not know how extensive your knowledge is relative to hydraulics, but I think it would be safe to assume it is substantial. Now, my question is do you think it is practical to develop and produce the combination of electrical components you referred to and incorporate them into a vehicle that is practical and reliable, and if so at what cost? Not demanding precision in any way, but in your last paragraph you referred to reliability and cost as two factors that must be considered, which is the most important point, as any vehicle must be affordable to be successful. In previous posts I have alluded to the fact (in my opinion) that a HH could be produced with sufficient capacity for normal use at a cost (after production reached a significant level) that would be no greater than any currently available low priced vehicle. Since we both share the same objective which is the highest percentage of vehicles available that are affordable and reliable, while we differ in possible the pathway to that vehicle, we both share a belief that such a vehicle should be produced as quickly as practical in any configuration that is reliable and cost effective. I just believe that pathway is hydraulic and my design is based on the understanding of the sum of the objectives, but possibly biased towards the understanding that if the average driver can not afford it, it will never be commercially successful. Practical automobiles existed before the advent of the Model T Ford, but the Model T, while it was surpassed by almost all of the competition, was reliable, cheap, and repairable by a novice with simple tools. That is why it succeeded and Ford's dedication to efficiency in production maintained that advantage fro 1908 to the last Model T produced in 1927. regards Mech