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Old 02-07-2013, 04:40 PM   #474 (permalink)
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Now where exactly are most people talking about committing several trillion, or GDP, or whatever? The money spent won't change, it'll just be directed to e.g. nuclear power plants, solar panel makers, railways, and so on, instead of going to oil companies, coal mines, etc.
I offer a worked example, the UK climate change act - which is barking madness at several £tn to implement, but for which the author got put into the House of Lords. I look forward to when the new Lord Ridley has a debate with Baroness Worthington.

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Except that the present course of action seems highly likely to create less overall wellbeing in the 3rd world, not to mention the 2nd and 1st worlds, even if we completely leave out any consideration of CO2 and its consequences. That's the really ironic thing about your complaint above: by redirecting those several trillion dollars, we would get a far better world to live in. Mitigating AGW would be a bonus :-)
Two questions.
1) how is forcing them to use unreliable and expensive energy supposed to make them better off.
2) could you detail the effects hitting them now, due to CAGW (note the C).

Actually a third - could you indicate the negatives of what has happened in the 20th century in terms of climate so far ?

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Except that the present course of action seems Sure, question stuff, but at some point you either have to accept that there actually ARE answers (even if you don't happen to like those answers), or you have to admit that your "questioning" is just tinsel wrapping over wishful thinking.
Well no there aren't, otherwise those answers wouldn't need revising which they seem to quite often like models, or even impacts. GOOD NEWS - the amazon looks to be safe unlike doomed as it was before.

See that, thats questioning.

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Sure. Of course some things depend on the landlord - you can't readily go adding insulation to your apartment - but you can do things like turning down the water heater, adding window film, or drying clothes on a line instead of using an electric dryer. (Which in my experience is pretty common in Europe anyway. When I lived in Switzerland, in an area where ordinary houses started in the $1 million range, every back yard seemed to have its rotary clothes line.) And of course renters can always vote with their rent money: if they're willing to seek out apartments with higher energy efficiency and thus lower utility bills.
All good advice, perhaps not totally applicable to the average renter - certainly not here (UK) and perhaps not making such large change as 15% year on year. Choice is more limited by price and it being available - I can live in a nice house in Edinburgh but that won't buy a garden shed in London.
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