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Old 03-10-2013, 03:22 PM   #563 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by Arragonis View Post
This is the argument from authority, by proxy, and just as lacking in credibility.
But of course science IS argument from authority, with the universe being the authority. Your link is a perfect example of this. Wishful thinkers try to claim that it's not warming (or charitably, that a model attempting to deduce the extent of warming from limited data was not accurate), but the ice shelves still collapsed.

Or maybe you think it is heretical to question things ?
Questioning is fine, but (as above) questions should eventually be resolved by appeal to the ultimate authority. The sort of "questioning" our AGW sceptics are doing is not really questioning at all, it's rejection of authority (the authority of nature, that is) in favor of wishful thinking. It's on the same level as "questioning" the shape of the Earth by maintaining the fixed opinion that it's flat.

As I pointed out before, the miners are no longer so unionised - haven't been for 20+ years...
Things change, you know. There was a time when there were no unions, then a time when they became nearly all-powerful. Who's to say that, if Britain were exclusively dependent on coal, that they would not regain their power. Same applies to gas, of course, or to the scheme of providing European electricity from solar plants in the Sahara. To put it crudely, you're giving someone a grip on your balls and expecting them not to squeeze.

Additionally that fracked gas reduced the US co2 output and kept the lights on. Why shouldn't we do that too ?
For the same reasons the US shouldn't be doing it.