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Old 06-26-2008, 06:48 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Just to clarify, a lot of what I am suggesting would need a lot of parts and work and money. Not to mention, more though!

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You will have to modify your setup to use an AC alternator because transformers only work on AC not DC.
I was thinking switching power supply at high frequency. Have you ever seen one of those big weller soldering guns that has a "heater" clamped into two posts? I think those are a single shorted secondary turn of a transformer. That creates enough amps to get a 10 guage or so copper element hot enought to melt solder. How many amps is that? Obviously the core material is wrong, but still.

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Volts, amps, and watts are linked with Ohms Law. V=IR (Volts=I[amps]*R[resistance]) and also Watts=Volts*Amps.
There is an optimum voltage for low heat electrolysis and I think it is like 1.2-2 volts per cell which is similar to lead acid batteries. This is difficult to do in one container. I am still trying to figure out a good compact design

I agree with all the equations. The graphs in the links suggest lower production at lower voltages. So there might be some sort of tradeoff, perhaps you have found it, but it seems to me that .03 volts times 1000 amps would give 100 times more hydrogen than say 3 volts at 10 amps, both are 30 watts. You need a lot of cell plate area and big buss bars to get a flow of 1000 amps though, obviously it is a significant project to make such a cell. Clever idea on your part to put cells in series, you bypass the whole problem of large currents. How about cutting off the top of a dead car battery and remove the guts, for your case? You get 6 compartments that way.

I understand why you want to use SS. You will need an higher overvoltage, but of course you are not going to get Pt for your first try, I was just looking longterm. Be aware that apparently the chromium from the SS will leach out into the solution, due to the electorplating going on, so don't dump that in your yard.

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Do not store HHO in any kind of tank. That is a very bad idea. You would be storing everything necessary for an explosion minus ignition. All you would need is a backflash and it would be all over. Only store pure H2 as this will not explode because it has to mix with the outside air first.
I agree completely, and it is good you pointed that out to everyone who might read this.

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That's not a "crazy thing" -- nearly all chemical reactions have ratios that are optimum. If you're using table salt (sodium chloride, not "a salt," which is not the same thing) as an electrolyte, consider what would happen if you put one grain of salt into 100 gallons of water -- not much change in the base conductivity. Conversely, if you added so much salt that the mixture was nearly dry, that would approach the properties of salt.
Well when you put it that way it is obvious. Durr. Boy am I dumb.

There are some solutions which do lead to the lowest resistance, though, even at the best ratio. I think the web site said nitric acid was the best, but that is not practical these days after 9/11 and what with the cost of platinum.


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Yes, it's the current flow that produced the electrolysis, but that current is produced by voltage across the electrodes -- as voltage varies, so will current. Thus, it is indeed "tied to volts," although volts is not what you're ultimately interested in.
I claim that if (as) the surface area of the plates in the cell is increased, I can increase the current without increasing the voltage, but I am STILL LIMITED by the "hydrogen overvoltage" of my electrode material. So theoretically I can generate a lot of gas with low watts by making the cell physically very very large. Now maybe that is not practical for other reasons, because I have no idea what I mean by "very, very, large" .
Or if I put "many" seperate generator cells in series, per silverknight, I use the current "more than once", and now I have "reasonable" currents and "reasonable" voltages. (waves hands )

Finally, we ARE mixing up two things here, and maybe we should not- The generation of "browns gas" which is one technical problem

-Can engine combustion be made more efficient with addition of just hydrogen, or "browns gas"?, which is a different problem.
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