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Originally Posted by IamIan
To each their own ... but I have my doubts about and the net 'cleanness' over the entire service life.
The old diesel will be less 'clean' to operate per gallon ... especially the old ones ... I'm not so certain that the end of service life dirty effects of recycling are larger than the total net dirty from all those dirtier gallons.
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I agree with the diesel beater concept. In my camp I live in Wisconsin, home of many a fish-fry. There's an endless supply of veggie oil here (and they pay you to take it away) to convert to Bio diesel. And old beater diesels are one group that can burn that stuff without a problem, and cleaner too.
The hybrids are done. No-one is making any money on them because the masses are not buying them. Yes Toyota sells a lot of them but the investment versus reward is not paying off. They tell you how good and clean they are but the battery recycling cost to them is not taken into account. As is the millions of losses that they had to anti up when they introduced the car. They lost a lot of money on every car, and are not saying but rumor has it they still are. The Volt plug in is a better setup in my opinion and now we return back to the battery. The greener it is and the longer it lasts the more attractive it is to buy and easier to promote. Lead acid is not used for the storage battery but all the recycling systems have long been in place for them. so it's cheaper to dispose of these. The clad group cost of recycling will come down some as more companys get on line. But it is still a more costly process and not as clean. A lot of acids and toxic chemicals are used in the electrolysis process. As of now lets just face it, there is no "clean" way. You either contribute to the problem by driving a car, or you walk or ride a bike. Focus now should be and I know there is a lot of, is safety and efficiency in the battery recycling process.