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Old 01-05-2014, 11:24 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I have applications for lights where the heat is a desired "byproduct" in fact so much so that the heat is the product and the light is the byproduct.
I understand nothing like sitting under my mom reading light in the winter up there in cold country. Here I have the opposite I don't want any thing to generate heat.

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And the price of the traditional bulb is but a fraction of the new junk.
True for the initial cost.

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Flip a CFL on outside or even in a room as cold as those in my house and chances are you will be ready to go back into a different room by the time the damned thing warms up enough to work. In fact in rooms that I tend to be "in-n-out" of quickly, I've gone back to incandescent.
Have the same problem here with some of them and the rooms don't get below 78F.

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So the point of CALF is to reduce electricity use, huh. There are about 1,000,000 better ways to get people to reduce electricity use. First off would be real progressive rate structures, that reward the small user... quite the opposite of the retarded regressive Midwestern model where the small EFFICIENT users subsidize the SLOBS by paying far more per kwH.
Progressive rate might work for some other would just pay thinking the couldn't do anything to affect it. Just like at the pump. One that bother me on my bill is the account fee. It adds between 5% and 15% to my bill.

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And of course the government could stop paying people to reproduce.
The tax structure is in favor of families as opposed to individuals while families use more resources.

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A billion less consumers should alleviate the pressure on resources of all sorts.
No argument here.
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