[GeorgeWiseman]

Originally Posted by XYZ

Let’s review George’s actual posts and ask some questions.
Post #22: That sounds like a sales pitch, not a give away.
#37: The phrase “help you with” implies buying your product, doesn’t it?
#38: Again, your idea of "help" will mean buying your units. The burden of proof is yours, not ours.
#56: Again, this amounts to a promotional ad for products you are selling. NASA is not in the vehicle modification business, but your comparison implies that you are smarter than their scientists are.
#58: Not only is this a sales promotion, it reveals the price of the more expensive unit.
#70:That’s an admission that is contradictory. It amounts to saying “I’m not here to sell anything, but I AM selling things”.
“MUCH MORE than money”… Like free publicity and promotion?
When anyone says that's it not about the money, you can rest assures that it IS about the money.

I'm not quite understanding the attitude I keep seeing. Somebody must have seriously messed with you guys. I'm not here to sell you anything. I'm here to learn and converse and help as I can. I DO have stuff for sale and it functions as claimed but I again and again tell you NOT to buy it!

I DO have user-proven technology, that can be inexpensively built yourself, with information I freely provide. Once we get going on these projects (if anyone cares to) I think you'll really appreciate my contribution to this community.

I don't think I'm smarter than a NASA scientist. Heck, I'm probably not smarter than a lot of you. Just because I can do something they haven't, doesn't make me smarter than them. I just developed something in a way they didn't think of (at least publicly), which is what inventors DO.

I can't help it that I have products for sale, that's how I make a living. But I'm not here to sell you anything and I'm (consistently) asking people NOT to purchase my products. Do you think I've got some sort of reverse psychology marketing going on? My wife will tell you I'm not that smart

Originally Posted by XYZ

Why did you decide to begin discussion of your products now in February, on this list? You claim to be away from home until next summer. Your being away from your cars provides an excuse that you think is acceptable for not providing any tangible proof of testing your claims.

I began discussion because I wanted to talk to 'peers'. People who are interested in saving fuel for the sake of saving fuel. People who seriously pay attention to anything that can save fuel (like removing a decal from a window). I jumped in because I wanted to really share what I've learned with people who would want to understand.

I've since been flamed for my lack of 'proof' and while I understand why that is... I have told you the truth about my situation, 'acceptable' or not is up to you... I'm not going to 'defend myself' for telling the truth. You'll believe me or not as you choose, depending on your paradigm.

Originally Posted by XYZ

Now you say “in addition to not taking any chances with the warranty”. But you steadfastly insisted that nothing you produce or install would void a warranty. So why the precaution? That too is contradictory.
Besides, your Aveo is a 2008. This is 2014. The five year warranty is expired. So who do you think you are kidding with the excuses and rationalizations?
#73: You just said that you aren’t taking any chances with the warranty (which no longer exists). The contradiction is glaring. Why should we believe you?

The one not taking chances with the warranty is my wife. It's her car and believe it or not women have shoes and the vote. I explained the situation and if it doesn't make sense to you, join the club, it doesn't make total sense to me either. In fact, I feel untrusted. But she is my wife and it is her car so it doesn't have to make sense, I just have to abide by her wishes. I think she is holding out for 100,000 km.

Originally Posted by XYZ

#74: This indicates that you admit being investigated “7 times so far” for possible fraudulent claims. That’s enough to raise everyone’s eyebrows, isn’t it?

Indeed! Especially since every investigation resulted in the conclusion that I was NOT a fraud! So... From my paradigm, it means that the Vested Interest would really like to see me shut down and this is one of the 'tools' that they use to do it. I've been through hell a few times, but here isn't the place to detail that. Suffice it to say (for me anyway) it adds to my credibility that my business is government sanctioned.

Originally Posted by XYZ

#73:Okay, George. Since you want so much to convince us and since you are not here to sell anything, here’s a way to prove yourself. Send all of your products (the units themselves) and their instruction books (two sets of them each), to both moderators of this list. Let them do an independent study of the results of before and after your units are installed. Probably most everyone on this list would trust the founders of this list to report objective results.

The final question is: Would you trust the founders of this list to verify your claims?
If not, I think we are headed towards the Unicorn Corral.

Interesting suggestion. How about the founders contact me directly with such a proposal and I'll see what we can work out?

I have no vested interest one way or the other because I'm not here to sell you anything and I'm beginning to really not understand why I'm answering posts like this one. The real deal here is fuel saving... Why don't we get on with that?

There's no need to 'send' books or product because I'm gifting all ecomodders who want them, the books already, and the 'products are easily built by anyone with reasonable handyman skills; so anyone can test the innovations and technology. I'm quite sure that there are ecomodders that the founders would trust to properly test and report.