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Originally Posted by IamIan
To be blunt ... That 'Simple' High School stuff, is more than what you've offered here... The scale is solidly and legitimately not tipped in your favor.
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I've paid for classes , I've paid for books, I've paid for research papers , I've paid to buy testing equipment , etc ... I enjoy learning and I don't mind sometimes paying $ for it... But so far (no offense meant) you're all claims , and no substance... even many of you're claims have been extremely vague, and unspecific... So far I don't even know if the 'thing' whatever it is you think you have, is even on topic for what is being discussed in this thread.
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I will use an electrolysis device, running on electricity from the engine alternator. I will introduce only pure water - no methanol/ethanol or such mixed in. I will apply these ingredients into the intake manifold. I will make no mechanical changes to the engine between tests.
But, I will manipulate intake air temperature, ignition timing and air/fuel ratio along with the attending electromechanical controls to do so.
You will be the test driver. Distance will be measured, fuel will be weighed, and miles-per-gallon calculated. It was good enough for the Auto Xprize, it is good enough for us.
We will meet at the Green Gran Prix next year and join other enthusiasts who can witness and verify the test. It will be the simple A-B-A test on a specified course at a prescribed speed. There will be a driving aid to allow you to hit the driving profile within a narrow percentage along with providing data logs to show consistency or not.
And, after being berated by my son for "attempting to steal candy from a baby" and doing nothing to benefit the community, I propose our bet start with the currency of Ecommoder stickers. I bet 1000 Ecommoder stickers that the test engine cannot run, or run well, at the modified run settings, without the HHO and water vapor. And further more, that water/HHO does effect the combustion to the point that the engine can run under the set conditions to a measurable efficiency advantage. The loser pays for the stickers and hands them out to attendees and guests of the Green Gran Prix. Please contact the Forum mods to make sure you will have the required number of stickers to pass out.
Do you want dynamometer numbers? I can provide a rolling dyno so you can collect information to your hearts delight. I just received a reply from my employers and, no, I cannot divulge the dynamometer work we had collected a couple decades ago for just precisely these tests. But, we are free to collect our own data if you are willing to pay for it. And neither can I show the white paper. White papers such as this one are used in business proposals to show to prospective investors or buyers that your technology is sound. I actually have to split our research and rewrite the gasoline portion as we have a meeting with a potential buyer next month up in Silicon Valley. Unless you have some deep pockets, you don't get to see the paper. However, the science is common knowledge and I can remark on that in follow up posts should you decide to accept my challenge.
If the costs are too high for you, feel free to ask Old Tele man and the other nay-sayers to help fund the 1000 sticker pot you will need to see my engine work. It will be fun for all and will benefit our community.
Cue the Morricone Spaghetti Western Music.
So, what do you say IamIan? Do you feel lucky?