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Originally Posted by RustyLugNut
I will use an electrolysis device, running on electricity from the engine alternator. I will introduce only pure water - no methanol/ethanol or such mixed in. I will apply these ingredients into the intake manifold. I will make no mechanical changes to the engine between tests.
But, I will manipulate intake air temperature, ignition timing and air/fuel ratio along with the attending electromechanical controls to do so.
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Thanks for nailing at least that much detail down.
Assuming it is not a variation of a 6 cycle style ICE ... I'm curious if you realize that with just that much ... you've already put yourself into the corner of needing to produce significantly more than a 20% improvement to BSFC? ... as shown on a good proper dino as I outlined? ... And if you intend on going Lean Burn (as I suspect you are) you may also have to be able to sustain smooth ICE operation bellow 30% ICE Load and above 90% ICE Load and sustain that smooth ICE operation at over 25.8:1 AFR... So I'm curious if you already knew how high you've already set the bar on yourself?
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You will be the test driver. Distance will be measured, fuel will be weighed, and miles-per-gallon calculated. It was good enough for the Auto Xprize, it is good enough for us.
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Bold = NO!
I was clear on this point and explained it previously in 2 previous posts already. It is not 'good enough'.
Your #1 proposed change to the terms is = Rejected.
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It will be the simple A-B-A test on a specified course at a prescribed speed.
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See above.
Your #2 proposed change to the terms is = Rejected.
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I propose our bet start with the currency of Ecommoder stickers.
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Your #3 Proposed change to the terms is = Rejected.
Bet $ is as was previously outlined , funds needed to perform the proper to tests to actually quantify it.
Both sides , me on mine ... and you on yours ... have to cough up their needed sides of funds prior to the event being accepted and finalized.
Ecommoder stickers are not able to perform the required functions in this context.
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The loser pays for the stickers and hands them out to attendees and guests of the Green Gran Prix. Please contact the Forum mods to make sure you will have the required number of stickers to pass out.
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Your #4 Proposed change in terms = Rejected.
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I bet 1000 Ecommoder stickers that the test engine cannot run, or run well, at the modified run settings, without the HHO and water vapor. And further more, that water/HHO does effect the combustion to the point that the engine can run under the set conditions to a measurable efficiency advantage.
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This proposal of yours violates points #4 and #5 that I already re-clarified for you previously in post #43 above... as such ...
Your #5 proposed change in terms is = Rejected.
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Do you want dynamometer numbers?
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Yes ... I've been very clear about this.
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But, we are free to collect our own data if you are willing to pay for it.
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Your #6 Proposed change in terms = Rejected.
The financial burden to paying for it is not all on me ... as was outlines previously above... me and my side , cough up in advance our 1/2 of the total 'pot' needed ... you and your side , cough up your 1/2 of the total 'pot' needed in advance as well.
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And neither can I show the white paper. White papers such as this one are used in business proposals to show to prospective investors or buyers that your technology is sound.
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That is 100% BS.
No average Business man is going to know science well enough to know if some paper handed to them is full of crap or not ... and there is no way they will sit and read through the 300+ pages you claim this paper is long ... White papers are not used in the method you describe there for only showing to investors behind closed doors etc.
Please indicate the professional peer reviewed journal that the white paper in question has been published in. Or will be published in. And under what title.
If it can't meet the minimum standards needed to get published in a professional peer reviewed journal, that's a major issue for the 'science' in the paper... And ANY 'investor' worth much would know this as well.
Without passing the professional peer review minimum standard ... it's just a bunch of paper ... it could be a 4th grader writing any random thing for 300+ Pages and be 100% gibberish... that's why we have a per review system.
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Unless you have some deep pockets, you don't get to see the paper.
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If you don't intend to ever publish it in a professional peer reviewed journal. It isn't worth paying for the contents.
And to be blunt , you should have already realized before even posting this ... that this is yet another dodge.
Real Science publishes their work all the time.
Real Business publishes their funded research all the time.
This cloak and dagger stuff has only one reasonable response ... doubt and skepticism ... which is exactly what you should have expected before even typing that kind of effort to again be vague and dodge requests to provide the science you claim you have.
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However, the science is common knowledge and I can remark on that in follow up posts should you decide to accept my challenge.
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We've asked numerous times already. You haven't yet. What evidence is there that you would do as you write this time?
As described above , I reject your 6 different changes you have proposed above.
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If the costs are too high for you, feel free to ask Old Tele man and the other nay-sayers to help fund the 1000 sticker pot you will need to see my engine work. It will be fun for all and will benefit our community.
So, what do you say IamIan? Do you feel lucky?
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Luck has nothing to do with this.
The Science is Solid... and it is not on your side in this case.
If you were as certain of the science as you've claimed to be ... Than you don't need to try and make it easier for you or stack the deck in your favor or water it down with the 6 proposed changes I rejected above.