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There's a lot of apartment and condo dwellers in the city and surrounding areas. And there is a lot of farmland going to support these concentrations of people. There isn't really anything to discuss if population remains unchecked, it is all folly, a distraction to avoid an unpleasant (and politically suicidal) conversation. It is what it is. Conflict and famine are just the only things that work, we are collectively too ignorant to have nice things (but that is ok too because it is the stuff of evolution, of real progress).
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