[oldtamiyaphile]

I don't know if the debate at hand is safety vs MPG. I think it's about how much safer all these things make us, and if they're not making things safer, that money would perhaps save more lives if spent on public hospitals, better (safer) roads etc. Any MPG gains would just be a bonus - and if you believe in AGW, then perhaps more people will die long term as a result of short term safety.

I wonder how many people are killed (mostly on bikes) as a result of the ridiculous A pillar blind spots for example.

I remember a local magazine rolled a Toyota Kluger SUV in testing on a dirt road which they blamed on the ESP calibration.