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Old 03-04-2015, 07:07 PM   #79 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by redpoint5 View Post
As already stated, the proper way to evaluate hybrid vs non-hybrid is by looking at models that have both options. Anyone trying to do wacky comparisons like a Fiesta to a Prius is being intentionally misleading, and really has no interest in knowing what the value of they hybrid components are.

Here is proof -> Compare Side-by-Side

The Camry gets 28 MPG, and the hybrid gets 41.
The Accord gets 31 MPG, and the hybrid gets 47.
You're still cherry picking. The question behind this thread is whether hybrids actually make sense. You're comparing a run of the mill standard car with a fully optimised hybrid. As we all know, simply adding some of the features of a hybrid like aero tweaks, stop start, LRR tyres etc to a normal car will show that the hybrid does indeed NOT make sense.

Mercedes E220 BlueTec 51.4/74.3/64.2 (Imperial)
Mercedes E300 Bluetec Hybrid 70.6/68.9/68.9 (Imperial)

Both use the same 2.1l diesel, both have all the eco tweaks. The hybrid costs $10K more yet does worse on the highway and is basically the same combined. Even the big advantage on the city cycle doesn't really help it's cause because the monetary gains of 50mpg vs 70mpg are actually pretty slim. Yes the hybrid is faster, but it's also 100kg heavier.

If you don't like my using a Mercedes as an example, find another ECO car with a hybrid option to compare to.
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