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Originally Posted by redpoint5
You accuse me of cherry picking examples? I merely picked the first 2 vehicles that came to mind; the ones that also happen to be the best selling cars in the US. In your own example you even concede that Mercedes built the hybrid to improve acceleration. If that isn't a cherry-picked example, then I guess I don't know what the phrase means.
I'll provide the very next car that came to mind. This one built for fuel economy in both versions, and both having start-stop technology. The Ford Fusion. 29 vs 42 MPG.
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I too went with the first example that came to mind. I don't know that Mercedes built the hybrid to improve performance, it's improved acceleration comes from having an extra motor to power it along, given the same ICE, it's impossible for it not to outperform the ICE only version. I maintain that it's the most valid comparison posted so far, same engine, same ECO tyres and aero tweaks etc. If you can find something as close, post it.
We don't get the Fusion, but you're comparing two very different engines. Small capacity turbos are not known for economy.
For me personally, I don't like hybrids because you still have all the ICE maintenance issues and you get a ticking lithium expense bomb. For me it's full EV or ICE.