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Old 03-10-2015, 11:40 AM   #146 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
I'm sorry to hear about your bad luck with your VW. but what has that to do with complexity?
The $8000 'discounted' labour charge suggests some complexity. Unfortunately, Honda don't make a comparable vehicle.

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Your reliability problem is not typical for used or complex cars.
You'll find there are 2 that stand out: Toyota and Honda.

Then buy the model they offer that gets best FE.
It will be a complex car, but also reliable.
And you'll love the smoothness of their hybrid drive train.
If you look at things like Direct Injection, DPFs, EGRs, DMFs, Robotised Transmissions, even TC Autos etc etc, they all cause issues pretty much across the board of makes. Modern European diesels seem to be universally unreliable thanks to 'tech' - things like DPF regens melting cylinders (again across many makes). For Euro7 particulate filters are going to be added to petrol cars (they might last longer on a petrol engine but on a diesel it's a $3000 bill every 70,000miles - this will basically mean most cars get scraped when the second DPF fails) and yes, they'll have to be fitted to Toyotas and Hondas too.

I've driven a Prius C for what it's worth. It was pretty 'Meh' IMO.

Honda, Toyota and I'd probably include Suzuki and Hyundai, all reliable but offer nothing for me. I have a 20 year old Suzuki in the family from new that's never needed anything, but I believe we probably reached peak reliability in the early 2000's.
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