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RedDevil · 03-13-2015, 09:25 AM

If we are to compare Insights and Civics, lets take the current ones.

New Civic hatch, manual, diesel engine:
Specifications
S trim (bare): € 22,890, Comfort: € 25.790.
It is supposed to get 3.6 to 3.7 l/100 km.
In reality it gets 5.43 l/100 km on average.

The Honda Insight is no longer cited on Honda's site since quite recently but the base level came in just under € 20,000.
Top spec with leather seats, park sensors, navi was about the Civic Comfort price.
So for the trim level it was way cheaper.
It was supposed to get 4.4 l/100 km...
Reality says 5.42 l/100 km on average.

Its emissions on anything but CO2 are way less than the diesel - in fact it is cleaner than any other car except EV's and hydrogen cars.

So on paper the bare manual Civic diesel uses less fuel - just by volume, as diesel is 20% heavier than gasoline, but nvm. - than the auto Insight gas hybrid; in reality it does not!

The Civic diesel uses a staggering 50% more than the brochure said.
The Insight? Less than 19% more.
Maybe they did precharge the battery, but data like this does suggest otherwise. How would they have precharged the diesel to exaggerate its FE by that much then?

Can't compare Insight to Civic?
Jazz to Jazz, both gas and CVT then.
Average FE for the Jazz CVT : 6.55 l/100 km
Average FE for the Jazz Hybrid CVT : 5.33 l/100 km, so 20% better.
This is real world data.

My country is very close to having the highest fuel prices in the world, how is that for CO2 related tax?

Now what exactly was I missing in your point?

03-13-2015, 09:25 AM	#188 (permalink)
RedDevil Master EcoWalker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands Posts: 3,999 Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance Team Honda 90 day: 53.59 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,714 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,455 Posts	If we are to compare Insights and Civics, lets take the current ones. New Civic hatch, manual, diesel engine: Specifications S trim (bare): € 22,890, Comfort: € 25.790. It is supposed to get 3.6 to 3.7 l/100 km. In reality it gets 5.43 l/100 km on average. The Honda Insight is no longer cited on Honda's site since quite recently but the base level came in just under € 20,000. Top spec with leather seats, park sensors, navi was about the Civic Comfort price. So for the trim level it was way cheaper. It was supposed to get 4.4 l/100 km... Reality says 5.42 l/100 km on average. Its emissions on anything but CO2 are way less than the diesel - in fact it is cleaner than any other car except EV's and hydrogen cars. So *on paper* the bare manual Civic diesel uses less fuel - just by volume, as diesel is 20% heavier than gasoline, but nvm. - than the auto Insight gas hybrid; in *reality* it does not! The Civic diesel uses a staggering 50% more than the brochure said. The Insight? Less than 19% more. Maybe they did precharge the battery, but data like this does suggest otherwise. How would they have precharged the diesel to exaggerate its FE by that much then? Can't compare Insight to Civic? Jazz to Jazz, both gas and CVT then. Average FE for the Jazz CVT : 6.55 l/100 km Average FE for the Jazz Hybrid CVT : 5.33 l/100 km, so 20% better. This is real world data. My country is very close to having the highest fuel prices in the world, how is that for CO2 related tax? Now what exactly was I missing in your point? __________________ 2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut. lifetime FE over 0.2 Gmeter or 0.13 Mmile. For confirmation go to people just like you. For education go to people unlike yourself. Last edited by RedDevil; 03-13-2015 at 11:59 AM..