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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
Cherry picking in the extreme.
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Cherry picking .. cries the person who only sites the highest price example he can find on the planet for the Insight ??? Than proceeds to make broad generalizations about the Insight and Hybrids everywhere ... based on that highest most extreme price he could find ... that's the pot calling the kettle black if I ever heard it.
For the record .. I intended no cherry picking... But Honestly .. I also made no effort to do an extensive search... they were intended to show what they did show ... that Australia artificially raises the price of vehicles compares to the rest of the world .. 2x or even 3x is not unheard of , nor uncommon.
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
I also would imagine that if Honda could have kept the cars' price below that threshold, they would have.
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They did keep it bellow that .. everywhere else on the planet.
Australia is one and AFAIK only exception ... Occam's razor ... the most likely reason ... that only Australia saw that price is because of Australian market itself ... and NOT because of the vehicle itself.
It is well known that Australia artificially jacks up their car prices compared to what the rest of the world pays... The I1 is not the only time Australia has 2x or even 3x the price of a car compared to everywhere else on the planet.
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
I think we can agree that at $17k, the first Gen Insight was far too cheap for an alloy bodied hybrid, particularly since at the time neither was mainstream for mass produced vehicles.
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Nope.
As I already posted .. AFAIK ... If (as it 'should be') ... R&D and such .. are distributed across all models that benefited ... than the Invoice price of the Gen-1 Insight turned a profit for Honda to make it even at ~$18k.
We can discuss that in more depth if you wish.
Further .. Cost to me .. is the relevant cost for my finances ... I know people who've bought used I1 for $2,500 ... he is getting 3x the MPG , of what he was driving ... that paid for itself very quickly.
If you want to talk new .. fine ... use the new price people paid .. which is still ~$19k... for about ~99% of the planet.
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Originally Posted by oldtamiyaphile
I'd love to know exactly what they were 'worth', no doubt it's somewhere between what you guys paid and what they tried to charge us.
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'worth' ... is another very subjective term.
I know what it's 'worth' to me ... because I know the cost to me .. for the value to me... It paid for itself to me a long time ago... And I still have additional value in the car itself.
For what I want from a vehicle ... Any other (non-I1) would either cost me more to get roughly the same end result ... or give me less than what I want as an end result ... or both... but that's just me... YMMV... use the right tool for the job .. the I1 is the right tool for my job... someone else for different wants/need/jobs ... may need a different tool.