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True. Modern cars tend to have heated O2s; my Echo is closed loop within 30sec usually. Don't know how universal this is though.
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'97 Honda Civic DX Coupe 5MT - dead 2/23
'00 Echo - dead 2/17
'14 Chrysler Town + Country - My DD, for now
'67 Mustang Convertible - gone 1/17
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