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cts_casemod · 09-25-2015, 03:18 PM

Some of you may be curious what happens when a standard lead acid battery on a diesel car is replaced with a LiFePO4 Lithium Battery...

Last year when the starter battery died (again!) I decided to use a few of my other electric car batteries to see how the thing would go. The original 60Ah Acid battery was replaced with a 12.8V 20Ah LiFePO4 Battery.

The small battery has no problem restarting the car several times during a short space (I kill the engine on traffic lights) and it certainly has no issues overloading the constant voltage alternator, pulling in excess of 150A after the engine restarted. If the SoC was low the belt slipped for a few minutes.

Last week I decided to grab a new alternator pulley besides the new belt. 3 days later a shorted bridge rectifier on the alternator.

Well... Time to get the gear running again with some mods.

What I need:

Reduce strain or disable alternator at lower speeds: This reduces the use of the clutch and generally improves fuel economy.
True Current limiting design, as required by lithium batteries
Reduced output voltage, to about 13.2V - This keeps the battery at 50%SoC while feeding the electrical loads on the vehicle. If there are no loads, the alternator is effectivelly in a low power state.
Regenerative braking - Full power when braking the vehicle or alternativelly when idling. This ensures the alternator load doesnt impact acceleration and helps when braking (assuming the car is kept on gear).

Most alternator kill designs I've seen are amateur aproaches in which the alternator field wire is simply disconected shifting all the drain to the battery. Once the alternator is allowed to start, the vehicle engine must come to a halt to kill the alternator output, so not very flexible.

So how to achieve this?
Well... first the original regulator must be bypassed. I always found 14.4V too high of a voltage anyway. Modern lithium batteries can be charged at 1C with only 13.6V. Lead acids that are not excessivelly discharged can charge fine at 13.8V... But the idea here is to go even lower, so that the battery is receptive to charge when the engine is not being used. This can effectivelly used to take advantage of short traffic lights. Rather than stopping the engine, use the alternator at high output and cut it completelly once the vehicle is ready to go, ensuring fast acceleration and reduced fuel usage. The same is valid for braking.

This is my alternator. A 90A model removed from my electric car, that will now be used on the diesel.

Removed regulator/rectifier cover:

The lower slip ring is 30% Worn at 50K Miles

View of the built in Voltage regulator. There is a monolitic IC to control the field current. The switching device is a NPN transistor. The positive brush is tied to VCC

Removed the brush conector protective sealer to expose the bush connections.

Be very aware that if a regulator fails with a shorted transistor things will go incredibly wrong. There are ways arround this, but for the sake of simplicity I decided to keep the stock regulator, since my own regulation device will be set to a LOWER voltage. This means, if said device were to fail closed, the built in regulator would still regulate at 14.4VDC (CV).

Under 14.4V the original regulator will feed the rotor with a 100% duty or close.The mods are as follows:

The built in regulator is kept powered at all times with VCC and GND. Find the output wire that will feed the brush negative terminal. Open this terminal to kill output and close to enable alternator. This can be done in real time with no nead to stop the engine.

For now, the mods are pretty simple:

Cut the terminal below where it was spot welded.

Now separate the regulator output from the linkage to the brush

Check both points for continuity to make sure they are indeed separed

Part two of this thread will discuss a PWM regulated circuit with adjustable output voltage and current. Untill I get some time to sort that out, the alternator output can be reduced by placing a 10W, 10Ohm resistor across the now separated terminals. This ensures output power is reduced at lower revs and increases as the engine RPM goes higher. The end voltage is still regulated at 14.4 but it will work as a constant current source.

During braking, the two points can be shorted togueter to generate maximun power.

Note: A (fast) Freewheeling diode needs to be soldered across the brush terminals to avoid high voltage inductive transisents when the rotor power is cut and the original regulator is not directly attached to it.

Happy modding!

09-25-2015, 03:18 PM	#1 (permalink)
cts_casemod EcoModding Apprentice Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: East Midlands Posts: 180 Thanks: 13 Thanked 81 Times in 52 Posts	Alternator Kill and LiFEPO4 - The definite guide Some of you may be curious what happens when a standard lead acid battery on a diesel car is replaced with a LiFePO4 Lithium Battery... Last year when the starter battery died (again!) I decided to use a few of my other electric car batteries to see how the thing would go. The original 60Ah Acid battery was replaced with a 12.8V 20Ah LiFePO4 Battery. The small battery has no problem restarting the car several times during a short space (I kill the engine on traffic lights) and it certainly has no issues overloading the constant voltage alternator, pulling in excess of 150A after the engine restarted. If the SoC was low the belt slipped for a few minutes. Last week I decided to grab a new alternator pulley besides the new belt. 3 days later a shorted bridge rectifier on the alternator. Well... Time to get the gear running again with some mods. What I need: Reduce strain or disable alternator at lower speeds: This reduces the use of the clutch and generally improves fuel economy. True Current limiting design, as required by lithium batteries Reduced output voltage, to about 13.2V - This keeps the battery at 50%SoC while feeding the electrical loads on the vehicle. If there are no loads, the alternator is effectivelly in a low power state. Regenerative braking - Full power when braking the vehicle or alternativelly when idling. This ensures the alternator load doesnt impact acceleration and helps when braking (assuming the car is kept on gear). Most alternator kill designs I've seen are amateur aproaches in which the alternator field wire is simply disconected shifting all the drain to the battery. Once the alternator is allowed to start, the vehicle engine must come to a halt to kill the alternator output, so not very flexible. So how to achieve this? Well... first the original regulator must be bypassed. I always found 14.4V too high of a voltage anyway. Modern lithium batteries can be charged at 1C with only 13.6V. Lead acids that are not excessivelly discharged can charge fine at 13.8V... But the idea here is to go even lower, so that the battery is receptive to charge when the engine is not being used. This can effectivelly used to take advantage of short traffic lights. Rather than stopping the engine, use the alternator at high output and cut it completelly once the vehicle is ready to go, ensuring fast acceleration and reduced fuel usage. The same is valid for braking. This is my alternator. A 90A model removed from my electric car, that will now be used on the diesel. Removed regulator/rectifier cover: The lower slip ring is 30% Worn at 50K Miles View of the built in Voltage regulator. There is a monolitic IC to control the field current. The switching device is a NPN transistor. The positive brush is tied to VCC Removed the brush conector protective sealer to expose the bush connections. Be very aware that if a regulator fails with a shorted transistor things will go incredibly wrong. There are ways arround this, but for the sake of simplicity I decided to keep the stock regulator, since my own regulation device will be set to a LOWER voltage. This means, if said device were to fail closed, the built in regulator would still regulate at 14.4VDC (CV). Under 14.4V the original regulator will feed the rotor with a 100% duty or close.The mods are as follows: The built in regulator is kept powered at all times with VCC and GND. Find the output wire that will feed the brush negative terminal. Open this terminal to kill output and close to enable alternator. This can be done in real time with no nead to stop the engine. For now, the mods are pretty simple: Cut the terminal below where it was spot welded. Now separate the regulator output from the linkage to the brush Check both points for continuity to make sure they are indeed separed Part two of this thread will discuss a PWM regulated circuit with adjustable output voltage and current. Untill I get some time to sort that out, the alternator output can be reduced by placing a 10W, 10Ohm resistor across the now separated terminals. This ensures output power is reduced at lower revs and increases as the engine RPM goes higher. The end voltage is still regulated at 14.4 but it will work as a constant current source. During braking, the two points can be shorted togueter to generate maximun power. Note: A (fast) Freewheeling diode needs to be soldered across the brush terminals to avoid high voltage inductive transisents when the rotor power is cut and the original regulator is not directly attached to it. Happy modding!