[gumby79]

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I was under the impression that the definition of plasma was when atoms enter a charged state and molecular bonds disassociate. Therefore, there is no "HHO plasma molecule". HHO would instead be two hydrogens and an oxygen moving independently of each other. Can you give a citation showing that molecules can exist in a plasma state? Or did you not mean that HHO is in a plasma state, but rather that it's simply a molecule with a different shape - which would be called an isomer?

Is a Rydberg cluster a isomer or a plasma that contains molecules? Were do the other elements found in HHO mass spec. Analysis come from ? Definitely not from H2O. What are the effects these extra elements having on combustion? The turm used by Christopher Eckman is "electric steam "(add : its flammable form of water that burns @ 130°c but can easily beak the bonds of W Tungsten at over 6000°c)
Scientific model presented for Brown's gas this article may help to un muddy the waters.

The amount of energy released by entering Earth's gravitational field is exactly the same as the amount needed to escape it. Shoemaker-levy 9 released energy as it entered Jupiter's atmosphere, and would have needed the same amount to escape it again. The nearest equivalent to HHO would be to go to Jupiter, build a rocket and carry a chunk of it into space, only to drop it back into the planet. The net energy is exactly the same because you're starting and ending with the same thing, but you've also used energy in creating the rocket and thus are coming out with a net negative.

"The amount of energy released by entering Earth's gravitational field is exactly the same as the amount needed to escape it. " and "but you've also used energy in creating the rocket and thus are coming out with a net negative. " the beginning contradicts the end.

Entry energy duse not =exit especially if you consider manufacturing of supporting equipment ,ship,fuel, we agree that production of H2 cost more than is released.

In a sense. Combustion (again as I understand it) happens when you have enough energy to overcome the chemical bonds, and then the atoms rearrange themselves into a lower energy state than they were before:





Turning H20 into a plasma, then "combusting" it back to H20 forms the same bonds again

Burning HHO takes out the extra electrons to form H2O. Do they disappear. Or do they have a chain reaction effect?

exact amount of energy needed to overcome the bonds is released again. This is why hydrogen can make a good battery. However, to my knowledge, you can only get out of it what you put into it, due to the laws of physics and the nature of chemical bonding.

Even if you could convert water to hydrogen completely without loss, and then put it in an engine where it turns back into water again, you would still gain absolutely nothing from the chemical reactions. You add X energy to break water's chemical bonds, then put it back together and gain X energy, for a net change of zero. Again, this is why fuel cells are a thing; you can use energy somewhere else, where it's cheaper to make or use (your home electrical grid for instance) and then release that energy in your car to move it around. You're not gaining any energy.[/QUOTE.]

Agen you are comparing h2 with HHO and its additional properties .

Eddit : maid requested adjustments and added.
In h2 production you split the bonds.
In HHO production you rearrange the bonds (less effert than braking the bounds) slipping some of that electric energy into the h2o directly..
This has been demonstrated using acoustics to in fuse energy into water. I doubt that any one has actually looked close enough to see any difference in final product composition between electrolysis HHO and acoustic HHO.