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Old 09-25-2016, 01:36 PM   #117 (permalink)
jamesqf
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Originally Posted by Astro View Post
Depending on the distance remaining on your trip 15 minutes may be more than enough. 30 minutes gets you 170 miles.
What's required to put more than a very few cars on such a charging station? Assume a reasonable 5 minute average to fill a gas tank, and immediately you need 6 times as much area. Then with such large intermittent current loads, you'd have problems with distribution powerflow & stability drawing that need to be addressed. (Overnight charging works because it's lower current at a time when system load is low.)

Tesla can do its superchargers for free/cheap, because there are only a few, and only a few cars to use them. I don't see how it'd be economically viable to scale up to handle a significant portion of the fleet.

Also, their superchargers point up an as yet unsolved problem facing mass adoption of EVs. How do you supercharge your Leaf, Spark EV, or other non-Tesla vehicle?

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Currently service stations are designed around grabbing the customers attention while they stand in line to pay...
Huh? At all the ones I've used lately, you just stick your credit card in the reader, enter your ZIP code, and fill. No need to even go into the convenience store unless you actually want that jerky :-)

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Why take 30 minutes out of somewhere else in your day when you could get a haircut while your EV charges.
Recharge 2-3 times per day on a long trip vs aircut every couple of months. And I think most of us probably prefer to go to our favorite local haircutting place, instead of picking one at random. Same logic for most 30-minute tasks.

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Making pickups louder than is technically required is just marketing.
Yes, as I said. How do you market quiet EVs to people who want loud pipes? Unless (like the Lotus hybrid, you play fake engine sounds: Evora 414E Hybrid | Lotus Cars )

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Spark plugs for my car that last 100K are over $20 a plug so there is $160.
Perhaps your car has too many cylinders? Same plugs would cost me $60. Likewise oil - even fancy 0W20 synthetic - is about $10-15. (US dollars, of course: I'm too lazy to look up the current exchange rate :-))

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Then at different intervals there is the fuel filter, air filter, coolant, thermostat, fan belt, timing belt, lead acid battery, catalytic converter, transmission fluid, trans filter.
Most of those last far longer than most people will own the car, if the car even has them. In any case, this all seems irrelevant to the lack of practical range.
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