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Old 01-01-2017, 06:37 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Honda CBR250R FI Single - '11 Honda CBR250R
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2001 Honda Insight stick - '01 Honda Insight manual
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Originally Posted by gregsfc View Post
Please clarify or elaborate HHOTDI. More potential than which models? Do you think just more than Ninjas' and bigger bikes like mine? The new 300 CBRs'? The new Rebel 300s? Or are you saying more than any production gas bike when ecomodded to the extreme?
I would say that given equivilent streamlining, the Honda 250 fuel injected single is the easiest off the shelf path to a winning highway fuel efficiency than any other production ICE vehicle. AND they are completely reliable in any weather and utilize an O2 sensor and a huge (for a motorcycle) catalyst. If you are willing to use a sport riding position as in the Hayes bike. The new Rebel300 will be that much better for a Vetter style streamliner kit due to the Bobber style ergonomics even though the cam is not tuned quite as much for efficiency as the 250 was.
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Electric drivetrains beat the round trip energy consumption and carbon emissions of the best ICE engines by at least 2:1 and the only reason the latest Vetter challenge wasn't dominated by the three electric bikes was that the competition is based on cost per mile and gas is ridiculously cheap in the USA right now.
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Just because we have the technology to suck the oil out of the ground at an alarming rate, doesn't mean we should. And we need to increase the road tax back up to at least where it was 20 years ago so we can afford to fix our roads. And start phasing in a carbon tax at the source to spur new clean tech and raise the price of carbon based energy and get people to quit blowing so much of it needlessly up into the air with their new pick up truck.
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