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RedDevil · 08-07-2017, 07:17 PM

You CAN get stunning FE from a diesel...

Marco is a hypermiler who wrestled 4.0 l/100 km from one of his Civic hybrids.
Long commutes and a light foot made him the most efficient driver on hondahybridclub.nl.
Then he got a Fit manual non-hybrid to 4.6 l/100 km lifetime FE.
Then he got a Civic diesel. Heavier, 1.6 turbo engine.... guess what?
https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/672350.html
3.35 l/100 km

!

So, diesel it is, then? Can it even be better?
Depends on the definition of better...
In theory, VW's 1.2 liter turbodiesel can get better economy than that.
In practice it can only get that by overlong gearing and virtually no acceleration when not in turbo range. So you are downshifting a lot, cursing the day you got it.

I test drove a Seat Ibiza ST with that engine. Was cured instantly.
Test drive situation:
On the highway, in 5th gear, doing 50 mph, held up by heavy traffic a bit.
The traffic cleared.
Told my wife I'd show her how hard the Ibiza can accelerate in top gear.
Time passes.
She asks me when I'm going to show it, as nothing is happening.
I told her I was going flat out already for over 10 seconds.
"Let's get back to the dealership".
Beam me up Scotty, there's no life here

08-07-2017, 07:17 PM	#91 (permalink)
RedDevil Master EcoWalker Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Nieuwegein, the Netherlands Posts: 3,999 Red Devil - '11 Honda Insight Elegance Team Honda 90 day: 53.95 mpg (US) Thanks: 1,714 Thanked 2,247 Times in 1,455 Posts	You CAN get stunning FE from a diesel... Marco is a hypermiler who wrestled 4.0 l/100 km from one of his Civic hybrids. Long commutes and a light foot made him the most efficient driver on hondahybridclub.nl. Then he got a Fit manual non-hybrid to 4.6 l/100 km lifetime FE. Then he got a Civic diesel. Heavier, 1.6 turbo engine.... guess what? https://www.spritmonitor.de/en/detail/672350.html 3.35 l/100 km ! So, diesel it is, then? Can it even be better? Depends on the definition of better... In theory, VW's 1.2 liter turbodiesel can get better economy than that. In practice it can only get that by overlong gearing and virtually no acceleration when not in turbo range. So you are downshifting a lot, cursing the day you got it. I test drove a Seat Ibiza ST with that engine. Was cured instantly. Test drive situation: On the highway, in 5th gear, doing 50 mph, held up by heavy traffic a bit. The traffic cleared. Told my wife I'd show her how hard the Ibiza can accelerate in top gear. Time passes. She asks me when I'm going to show it, as nothing is happening. I told her I was going flat out already for over 10 seconds. "Let's get back to the dealership". Beam me up Scotty, there's no life here __________________ 2011 Honda Insight + HID, LEDs, tiny PV panel, extra brake pad return springs, neutral wheel alignment, 44/42 PSI (air), PHEV light (inop), tightened wheel nut. lifetime FE over 0.2 Gmeter or 0.13 Mmile. For confirmation go to people just like you. For education go to people unlike yourself. Last edited by RedDevil; 08-08-2017 at 05:46 AM..