View Single Post
Old 07-13-2018, 08:14 AM   #56 (permalink)
Isaac Zackary
Full sized hybrid.
 
Isaac Zackary's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Colorado
Posts: 602

Suzy - '13 Toyota Avalon Hybrid XLE
90 day: 37.18 mpg (US)
Thanks: 369
Thanked 108 Times in 84 Posts
Quote:
Originally Posted by slowmover View Post
Fuel is subsidized. Thus, cheap. That you live too far and make too little isn’t to the point. As I wrote, you’re one of the ones trying to make subsidized fuel cover basic mistakes. That it isn’t working is a wake-up call.

And a Suburban isn’t a safe choice (high COG, live axle, excess overhang). The parameters are 4000-lb curb weight; 120” wheelbase, fully independent suspension. A Dodge Charger, IOW (its not by mistake it meets those). Size-wise, bigger than this doesn’t work for stability or crash protection as added margin. Less than this heightens risk.

I rented one ten years ago. A V6 model. Didn’t care about FE, per se. Still saw 27-MPG consistently on a 2000-mile trip from Salt Lake to Boise to Couer D’Alene and on to Seattle.

Long time in production. A fleet car. Both huge advantages.

Family sedan is the baseline vehicle the past century for good reason. No other type is better overall.
Thanks for your posts. I don't mean to sound so hard, you are making a valid point. But as to which car is safer than the other, you have to have the total risk calculated from the total statistics in order to determine which is safer, This graph isn't to date but it illustrates the point:

The Suburban is by far the safest SUV out there. For protecting its occupants, the Suburban is much better than your average car. I'm not sure which years this graph is from. I was trying to find one made by the same guy/company that in those years the Suburban was better than any other car or SUV, except Minivans. Statistically if you want safety, get a minivan. You are much less likely to die in a minivan than any other form of personal transportation.

Unless you show the total statistics, saying the Charger is safest is just opinion based on some half facts. A car can have very good crash test ratings. But how likely are you to get into an accident in the first place? I have to travel over steep, snow covered, mountain passes and you're telling me that I need a RWD Charger?

I don't have to do what I do. But I wouldn't call it a mistake. For years I lived with only a bicycle, and could do that again if I had to. Now talk about a safety issue! The car I have works perfectly fine for what I do. The whole reason I want to go from a 1985 VW diesel to a 2014 Toyota Prius is for safety concerns. That car seems like it will work for me in every which way possible. And how much safer is a Charger over a Prius? Do you have the statistics?
__________________

Last edited by Isaac Zackary; 07-13-2018 at 08:34 AM..
  Reply With Quote