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Old 09-21-2018, 12:06 PM   #123 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by RedDevil View Post
That's assuming everyone keeps staring at their fridge for months instead of searching for alternatives, working to restore power in key areas, eating canned food, etc.

A lot of food that gets shipped frozen can be canned as well. People like their food 'fresh', but would take canned or dried if the alternative is none.

As long as there is stuff that burns people can cook.
People are inventive, especially in times of adversity. Not everybody has proper hiking skills, but once that is needed they learn from others that do.

I really don't see the problem.
Almost no one cans food any more. The only people I know who still can are my mom and that part of the family.

With out power or gas how does all that refrigerated food get canned by people who don't know how to do it or have the supplies?
Everyone who has had home canned food during some disaster canned it before the disaster.

The problem is natural gas infrastructure is almost wholly powered by nature gas it's self, some ares may continue to see gas service for quite some time. But the control systems for the long distance distribution systems and that power the natural gas refineries needs comes from utility power.
I work with people who are former oil and gas plant ops, they say once the backups run out of diesel 90 to 95% of people lose gas.
You can hope that it keeps working or listen to the guys who have worked in the refineries and distribution stations.
There is a large natural gas distribution station to my south, it has a large 100 to 200kv power line going to it, this place is in the middle of no where, I know they don't need a medium distance transmission line and a substation to keep the lights on.

There was a bill introduced to the Senate in 2010 to mandate that natural gas infrastructure be made independent of the power grid but it failed to pass.
If natural gas infrastructure was inherently designed to work with out the electrical grid why the bill?

When the next large coronal mass ejection hits earth the power just doesn't go out and get turned back on.
There are something like 1,000 very large distribution transformers, ones that are the size of a house that make the power grid work. When the suns energetic particle storm energies the power lines designed to run at a half million volts AC are energized with several million volts DC these transformers are going to melt down. There are no spares, each one is custom made. I have seen these melt down, the power company trucks in smaller transformers and wires them up temporarily for up to a year while a new transformer gets made, usually in china or south Korea.

Something like 1/3 of US power comes from natural gas. With out power the natural gas grid fails, with out natural gas the power gird won't be able to start back up to full capacity.
You get into a really tight spot really quick when this stuff stops working.

In 2016 I believe it was was a large CME just barely missed earth. There was no plan. The plan was "hope it doesn't hit".
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