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Originally Posted by mpg_numbers_guy
And no, don't misuse my words. I don't believe that pollution control in and of itself will cause the fall of nations. Excessive government control beyond protecting and preserving basic human freedom causes poverty and death; the examples I already mentioned prove this. Oftentimes this does cause either the downfall of the nation, or a virtual enslavement of its people.
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Your examples of the nazis or Venezuela are so far out and off topic that I don't understand why you bothered to include them, as they in no way support your argument. "Excessive government control beyond protecting and preserving basic human freedom causes poverty and death" like what does that have to do with Hitler? He was a strong man dictator who swept into power at the right time. He didn't over-regulate the economy of Germany to the point that people died, he went and built the camps and propped up his government by attacking minorities. This wasn't an out of control regulatory regime that has anything remotely to do with pollution control or atmospheric protection. Same with Venezuela, they have had strongman dictators who give 0 f***s about the environment, they only care about the 1 thing all strongman dictators care about -- staying in power and then expanding that power. Which is why they kill their own people or they start dumb wars like WWI and WWII.
Hitler
WON WWII before it became a world war. He just got cocky (they always do!) and decided to attack Russia for no reason. Europe hasn't had another war that in any way compares to that for the last 75 years because it hasn't been run by strongman dictators for the last 75 years. The EU exists as a remnant of the cold war effort to build institutions and trade agreements in order to stop dumb wars like that from happening again.
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I believe our energy would be better spent advocating for electric vehicles than about overtaxing gasoline.
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We aren't talking about a gasoline tax in this thread. The price increase is money that goes to the refineries//oil companies because they have to produce more of the lower sulpher content fuel. I just converted my Insight to LTO last weekend so I'm already on the electrification track anyway.