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aardvarcus · 05-14-2020, 07:24 PM

Julian,

I don't have thick enough skin to post about the differences in valve and transistor amplifiers on the internet.

I am a transistor man myself, yet most of my equipment is considered "vintage". Well I guess the Oppo 105 bdp isn't... Despite their measurement shortcomings, there's nothing quite like 7.1 coming through 7 JBL 4411 and 4311c Studio Monitors... with the 12" woofer rolling off at 6khz

but for what I paid I certainly can't fathom similar quality in new equipment at that price point. And the uninformed masses (who bought their setups at best buy) jaws hit the floor when they "experience" it.... "Outdated" McIntosh amps don't hurt either...

And yet "the uninformed masses" (my friends/family) pay more attention to the "weird" speaker wire mounted on ceramic insulators to the walls (which is sonicly meaningless of course) than they notice that the speakers are decades old or that the blueray player doesn't do 4K.

If "Fred" were telling people to not worry about frayed extension cords and to bypass fuses, I agree that "Fred" shouldn't post on electronics forums.

But "Fred" seems to have built some things that have been tested, and they have appeared to work. And people have built things "Fred" suggested and they seem happy with them. Perhaps Fred's methods are a bit out of date, like my surround sound setup, but hey they seem to work ok.

I know there is bad vintage stereo equipment out there. Like an array of Altec Lansing Valencias, with hardly any frequency response below 100hz or above 10khz. I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone buy those for Home Theater reasons...

But until I save up the cash and time to build an array of 7 SONY (yes that Sony) SS-AR1 clones with ScanSpeak drivers (that cost more per pair of drivers than a pair of my speakers)... maybe the out of date equipment is better than typical junk.

Perhaps my speakers are "wrong". I am under no delusions that there are not much better designs out there. But the REW plots out of the calibrated reference microphone look pretty descent. Plus with way less measured THD than some newer more expensive speakers measured in the same room... (the modern brochure said the THD was soooo much better...) Probably wouldn't hurt if I put up more of that N=7 QRD paneling either...

Can't we all just agree to disagree about brands, transistors, age of stereo equipment, speaker wire, etcetera and just compare our own measured THD figures and REW plots?

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aardvarcus Master EcoModder Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Evensville, TN Posts: 676 Deep Blue - '94 GMC Suburban K2500 SLE 90 day: 23.75 mpg (US) Griffin (T4R) - '99 Toyota 4Runner SR5 90 day: 25.43 mpg (US) Thanks: 237 Thanked 580 Times in 322 Posts	Julian, I don't have thick enough skin to post about the differences in valve and transistor amplifiers on the internet. I am a transistor man myself, yet most of my equipment is considered "vintage". Well I guess the Oppo 105 bdp isn't... Despite their measurement shortcomings, there's nothing quite like 7.1 coming through 7 JBL 4411 and 4311c Studio Monitors... with the 12" woofer rolling off at 6khz but for what I paid I certainly can't fathom similar quality in new equipment at that price point. And the uninformed masses (who bought their setups at best buy) jaws hit the floor when they "experience" it.... "Outdated" McIntosh amps don't hurt either... And yet "the uninformed masses" (my friends/family) pay more attention to the "weird" speaker wire mounted on ceramic insulators to the walls (which is sonicly meaningless of course) than they notice that the speakers are decades old or that the blueray player doesn't do 4K. If "Fred" were telling people to not worry about frayed extension cords and to bypass fuses, I agree that "Fred" shouldn't post on electronics forums. But "Fred" seems to have built some things that have been tested, and they have appeared to work. And people have built things "Fred" suggested and they seem happy with them. Perhaps Fred's methods are a bit out of date, like my surround sound setup, but hey they seem to work ok. I know there is bad vintage stereo equipment out there. Like an array of Altec Lansing Valencias, with hardly any frequency response below 100hz or above 10khz. I certainly wouldn't suggest anyone buy those for Home Theater reasons... But until I save up the cash and time to build an array of 7 SONY (yes that Sony) SS-AR1 clones with ScanSpeak drivers (that cost more per pair of drivers than a pair of my speakers)... maybe the out of date equipment is better than typical junk. Perhaps my speakers are "wrong". I am under no delusions that there are not much better designs out there. But the REW plots out of the calibrated reference microphone look pretty descent. Plus with way less measured THD than some newer more expensive speakers measured in the same room... (the modern brochure said the THD was soooo much better...) Probably wouldn't hurt if I put up more of that N=7 QRD paneling either... Can't we all just agree to disagree about brands, transistors, age of stereo equipment, speaker wire, etcetera and just compare our own measured THD figures and REW plots?