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Old 06-02-2021, 01:45 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by serialk11r View Post
Sorry okay I'm thinking about it more, so the vane pump has a displacement, and a compression ratio. You need the displacement to always be positive or else the pump will attempt to pump air away from the engine, consuming power.

What needs to vary is the inlet location. For maximum compression, you want to let air in where the vanes are furthest from the center of the rotor, close off the inlet where maximum inter-vane volume occurs, and open the exhaust near minimum chamber volume. To make it into a turbine with maximum expansion ratio, you want the exhaust port open from maximum volume all the way until the volume is nearly zero, then open the inlet briefly.

This is not easy to accomplish mechanically, since you have to change the port shape :/ You can change it in discrete steps but not continuously, so if you want to flip it from compressor to turbine mode without moving the rotor or housing around you can have valves to swap flow between intake and exhaust ports then open up a bypass built into the housing surface to make the displacement negative. That creates some fabrication challenges.
Thanks for the bump, chunmin 78. I just sketched out a vane pump that looks like it might do an elegant transition from pump to motor. Start with a regular round housing, and a round hub to house the sliding vanes. The ports can take up most of the compression and expansion arcs. Now, imagine this housing with the manifolds sliding between the side plates of the pump, which are carrying the axle of the hub with them. All you have to do is to move the center of rotation from side to side and you go from max compression, to neutral, to max expansion.
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