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Originally Posted by some_other_dave
If I may take another tack here-- (see what I did there?)
Do you believe that a boat can sail faster than the wind speed? Your arguments would seem to say that no, they cannot.
If not, then you need to research sails, because there are boats that can do so.
If you believe that they can, then do you think it stands to reason that the same sort of phenomenon might be used to allow a vehicle to move downwind faster than the wind? Including a lot of losses along the way?
-soD
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The only corollary which applies for 'with-the-wind' would be flying a spinnaker, and the sailboat fails to reach parity with the wind velocity.