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Isaac Zachary · 10-15-2021, 05:25 AM

I think it's also important to look at who "they" were at each step of the company's history. The original designers who started the company left when those backing the company decided to do things like you said. As far as I understand those that made those terrible decisions are no long part of Aptera.

Another example is VW with their dieselgate. Does that mean that VW should never be trusted again? Does this mean we should hope that all future VW's fail?

What I hate about people hating a product, service or a company are two things. One is not truely comparing it and offering actual alternatives. If a person is in the market for a car like what Aptera promises, then what are the closest vehicles to it? What are the actual pros and cons between this and the competition? I hate it when people present some odd three-wheeled motorcycle as the "Aptera killer". Is the Aptera really being marketed towards that crowd? Obviously not, so why comparison?

In terms of performance the Aptera is trying to compete with the Mazda Miata, pure and simple. Miata drivers are not bikers. As far as efficiency and range are being promised it's closest competitor is the Tesla Model 3, again not a biker community. "Now they have real competition from a plethora of hybrids... battery powered vehicles... and plug-in hybrids" basically means "go google 'cars that are better than Aptera' so you can prove to yourself I'm right." Tell me which cars and why, please.

The other thing I hate is basing most everything on opinion and not presenting any solid facts. True, we don't have a production car from Aptera to use. But biased opinions are worth zero. They don't convince anyone. You might as well as shout that the car also melts in the rain. I want to know the latest estimates, test numbers and hands on reviews, preferably third party, but in-house is better than pulling snide comments out of... (ahem!) a completely biased, prejudice and opinionated hypothesis. And while the shameful history of the early Aptera is something we can point to, it doesn't prove the now. I want to be able to compare numbers and pros and cons as best as possible, taking everything with a reasonable amount of shrewdness.

What do we have to lose anyway? Did you actually give Aptera $10,000 and never saw it again or got it back years later? If not then what did Aptera do besides not meet expectations in the past? If rather sit back and watch what becomes of the company and draw concrete conclusions when the time arrives.

10-15-2021, 05:25 AM	#310 (permalink)
Isaac Zachary High Altitude Hybrid Join Date: Dec 2020 Location: Gunnison, CO Posts: 2,075 Avalon - '13 Toyota Avalon HV 90 day: 40.45 mpg (US) Prius - '06 Toyota Prius Thanks: 1,128 Thanked 584 Times in 463 Posts	I think it's also important to look at who "they" were at each step of the company's history. The original designers who started the company left when those backing the company decided to do things like you said. As far as I understand those that made those terrible decisions are no long part of Aptera. Another example is VW with their dieselgate. Does that mean that VW should never be trusted again? Does this mean we should hope that all future VW's fail? What I hate about people hating a product, service or a company are two things. One is not truely comparing it and offering actual alternatives. If a person is in the market for a car like what Aptera promises, then what are the closest vehicles to it? What are the actual pros and cons between this and the competition? I hate it when people present some odd three-wheeled motorcycle as the "Aptera killer". Is the Aptera really being marketed towards that crowd? Obviously not, so why comparison? In terms of performance the Aptera is trying to compete with the Mazda Miata, pure and simple. Miata drivers are not bikers. As far as efficiency and range are being promised it's closest competitor is the Tesla Model 3, again not a biker community. "Now they have real competition from a plethora of hybrids... battery powered vehicles... and plug-in hybrids" basically means "go google 'cars that are better than Aptera' so you can prove to yourself I'm right." Tell me which cars and why, please. The other thing I hate is basing most everything on opinion and not presenting any solid facts. True, we don't have a production car from Aptera to use. But biased opinions are worth zero. They don't convince anyone. You might as well as shout that the car also melts in the rain. I want to know the latest estimates, test numbers and hands on reviews, preferably third party, but in-house is better than pulling snide comments out of... (ahem!) a completely biased, prejudice and opinionated hypothesis. And while the shameful history of the early Aptera is something we can point to, it doesn't prove the now. I want to be able to compare numbers and pros and cons as best as possible, taking everything with a reasonable amount of shrewdness. What do we have to lose anyway? Did you actually give Aptera $10,000 and never saw it again or got it back years later? If not then what did Aptera do besides not meet expectations in the past? If rather sit back and watch what becomes of the company and draw concrete conclusions when the time arrives. __________________ Last edited by Isaac Zachary; 10-15-2021 at 05:41 AM..