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Originally Posted by redpoint5
1,2,3- As the WuFlu showcased, problems are never 1-dimensional. You don't put Fauci in charge of everything to respond to WuFlu, because disease mitigation is not the only thing to be concerned with. A wise person is informed by expert specialists, but understands the myopic lens through which they view things. If we wanted to maximally control the spread of WuFlu, we'd put every person into their own isolated box for a month. Since WuFlu isn't the only issue to be concerned with, and we understand human behavior, we realize that isn't a good solution.
Similarly, global warming isn't the only issue to be concerned with. Listening to whatever the most extreme opinion of what should be done would be disastrous because it wouldn't take into account all of the other factors related to living well.
4- I don't know what "The Solution" is you're referring to, but certainly the implications of all the extreme plans like the Green New Deal are precisely why they are untenable.
5- All of my opinions have been formed over the years of simply observing human motivation and truth seeking. I don't listen to right-wing media, so if anything in my liberal environment, I'm bombarded with more of the extreme left rhetoric. My opinions are a departure from the narrative, not an adherence to it.
6- Pointing out flaws in "The Plan" isn't synonymous with climate denial. It's merely pointing out flaws. The Frontline documentary doesn't even show climate denialism so much as it shows how everyone most informed on the subject knew how impossible it was to solve.
Answer this- if Exxon had given up entirely on the oil business when they discovered fossil fuel consumption contributes to climate change, how do you think anything would be different?
Do you think we'd all be flying around in solar powered aircraft, or do you think Exxon would simply have gone bankrupt while some other oil company swooped in to fulfill the demand for oil?
Exxon seriously researched the options, realized that solar powered flying cars wasn't likely, and decided to continue doing what they were already expert at. Nothing evil about that. Nice that we have access to their privately funded research for free. Don't hear anyone saying thank you for that. Like giving a gift and hearing "you suck" as a response.
If anything the documentary exposes how culpable all of humanity is, and the levels of mental gymnastics they will go through to vilify others to maintain the illusion of purity.
7- Don't get this reference. I don't follow the "news". Agreed that people are quickly brainwashed by deceit though. How many people still believe the "drink bleach" hoax, for example? People are generally sheeple, so that's no surprise. They let others do the thinking for them, and then fool themselves into believing they've done the thinking.
8- Of course, which is mostly what I've been saying. EVs aren't here because some genius politician dreamed up a regressive tax subsidy to the wealthy to purchase them, but because it was the right time in the evolution of technology for them to exist. The economic incentive to improve efficiency is sufficient to drive the millions of iterations in efficiency to come across all industries. The prospect of "free energy" from the sun is motivation enough to exploit it to the fullest extent technology allows, for example. Don't need some highfalutin Great Leader telling us his genius idea of utilizing sunlight.
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1) COVID wasn't a product sold on the global market.
2) There weren't COVID cartels and trade organizations.
3) There weren't carnival barker lobbyists from the Big- COVID financing congressional election and re-election campaigns.) Big-COVID wasn't President.
Big-COVID wasn't White House Chief of Staff.
Big-COVID wasn't Secretary of State, Energy, Representatives, Senators.
COVID really isn't germane to a climate conversation.
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4) The plan would be to get off fossil-fuel as fast as we could and remove extant carbon-dioxide from the atmosphere, down to at least 350ppm.
The Green New Deal would be 'free' compared to what business as usual will cost.
5) Beware of 'truths.'
6) Those who 'knew' about climate change already understood that we faced doing the 'impossible' as not doing it would take us to the 'unthinkable.'
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If Exxon had 'owned' the reality of the situation, rather than obfuscate, we would have had an early start on resolving the issue. The USA could have had a national energy strategy. Public education could have educated. Bring the full force of innovation and R&D to the table. Ease ourselves off the fossil-fuel teat. Buy time. Move investments. Get rich differently. Demand for oil would decline incrementally. There would be no void to fill. With alternates, people wouldn't touch the stuff. Exxon was already into photovoltaics. They would have been rewarded (I rewarded Atlantic Richfield Corporation ( ARCO ) for theirs! ). Exxon was in lithium ( that's workin' out pretty good right now! ). Exxon is already in a criminal trial in a US District Court ( Juliana vs United States ), We'll see how that goes.
7) It takes about 72-hours to start a war, whether with a country, drugs, or heating planet. That part's easy.
8) The economy IS where we'll do it, or not. Carrots are better than sticks. Sticks suffice when there's no options. President Woodrow Wilson suspended the 1st-Amendment in 1918, when he thought the security of the nation swung in the balance. Machiavellian. Art of War.