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Old 07-01-2022, 04:36 AM   #178 (permalink)
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Originally Posted by rmay635703 View Post
There are about a dozen refineries sitting mothballed

Even one sitting in northern Wisconsin

No effort to repair any of them
It's seen as a poor investment because over the long term, gasoline usage is projected to decrease with electric car adoption.

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Originally Posted by cRiPpLe_rOoStEr View Post
I'm sure direct injection would make it easier, despite the NOx issue. At least it could be easier to overcome the NOx issue in a dedicated-ethanol than in a Diesel, using water injection instead of DEF.
The combustion temperature of ethanol in air is very close to that of gasoline in air. If you vaporize the ethanol completely and then put it in a high compression ratio engine made to take advantage of the cooling effect, you'll have even higher temperatures than gasoline since the higher heating value is greater per unit oxygen consumed.

The only way to meet current emission standards is exhaust aftertreatment. I wouldn't be surprised if natural gas stoves in homes produced more NOx per unit heat than cars are allowed

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