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Old 10-16-2008, 10:57 PM   #159 (permalink)
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Concrete...is it really that expensive. If the ability to go solar was opened up it'd be easy and cheap, all that would really be need to start as a property owner for a solar array would be about $1000.
Yes, it is really that expensive
try ohh... 30k and a reduced standard of living
(20 year old data from a friend who built solar/battery off grid for his cabin
that does not include his maintenance and battery replacements
attaching to the grid would have cost him 70K he needed a lot of power poles)

okay, time to get personal (I will try to be nice)
do any of you supporting solar have any solar panels?
(I do and I have ecomodded my home for solar thermal design - no PV though - too expensive)

If you want investors, the government or me to support Billions in investment
you should have solar installed right now
or else we may start attach the H word to your replies just kidding

secondly - if you do - what is your cost per kilowatt?
and if you can make PV pay vs. a grid connection - you should patent it


Duffman,

you do not have to physically trace wires
you do have to electrically tap them - but for power wires this could be permanently available
you send a high freq pulse thru line and it bounces off the "end" & get how far away it is
then you can go to that point of up the wire and start digging

also Denmark is not the US/Canada
they are a small sand bar in the North Sea - not much chance for different weather
The US/Canada are hugh in comparison, we truly have some very different weather
at the same time
you can at least give distributed guys a little more credit than Denmark
they will obviously need the EU to help balance their grid

to any Danes reading
no slight here, I highly respect what you have done with what God gave you
Let the wind blow


for those wanting real data and having insomnia
here is some good - real life data on wind energy
Wind Energy
last two items in "kansas topics" are very pragmatic look at wind
(I would have linked them direct - but they are down loads)
Kansas is very conservative
- we try not to buy things that don't work just because we like the concept
check it out - laissez faire wind

summary - for those with short attention spans
Kansas has real installations with load factors ~30-40%
& wind is not cost competitive without tax credits (in kansas)
(not subsidies, they just pay less tax. Don't frown, most energy forms are supported like this)
if your state has a lot of natural gas powered generation (TX, CA)
- wind power may be for you - it is comparable cost to gas
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