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Old 05-10-2023, 05:03 PM   #15 (permalink)
Isaac Zachary
High Altitude Hybrid
 
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Avalon - '13 Toyota Avalon HV
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20ish years ago we ran into a family in Death Valley driving an old stretch limo. They had 6 kids and said the limo: was cheaper, drove better, and got better fuel economy than the vans they had before.
This is pretty much the reason I would prefer a station wagon over a crossover. In fact, a three row station wagon would be the perfect family hauler in my opinion.

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Diesel is not a winner in the USA. It only made sense when diesel was cheaper than gasoline and diesels had lower emissions standards.

Today:
  1. A diesel engine costs thousands more than a gas engine
  2. Diesel cost more gasoline. (US national average $3.53 gas / $3.92 diesel)
  3. In the USA if anything goes wrong with the emission system of a diesel vehicle it will go into limp mode after about 500 miles.

Diesel still makes sense if you are towing heavy loads or doing a lot of highway driving but diesel does not make sense for a family vehicle. They REALLY don't do well for city driving

A DI turbo gas engine will do as well as a diesel for total cost to own and a hybrid will do better.
Ya, I get it. But I am a little nostalgic for diesel cars. Still, it makes sense why they're pretty much gone.

I just wish there were still some manual transmission hybrids. That would be fun to me.
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